Just found out as of  today the COVID-19 death count will go over the total number of US combat deaths in World War I - 116,708.

Yay for Trump, indeed.

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2020 at 10:57am:


Americans have been long conditioned to mistrust their government when in reality there is little reason they should. Mistrust in the media is common place now too. And now it is science that can't be trusted. With these Big Three out of the way, America is ripe for authoritarianism.

For those who love statistics,

This I assume will be the OAN and FOX News headline, but if you like the statistics and look a little closer, you'll find it's because their first wave is exploding in cases while all the other states who have taken to all the best practices, including wearing masks, social distancing and not attending Rallies (although the protests will likely see them in the time to come have an increase too), they've seen their peaks and are dropping in new cases, these red states are seeing more cases and no peak in sight yet.

So they may avoid a 2nd wave for now, but that's only because their 1st wave is still increasing.

But actually look at the stats, not the headlines.  I know the usual excuse will be "Oh but these states are doing more testing".  Look at the numbers.  In these states, compare their increased testing as a percentage to the increase in new cases.  The percentage of new cases far outweigh the increases in testing, and in Florida for example, some of their increase in cases are not accompanied by an increase in testing at all.

This means the simple throw away of "well we're doing more testing" isn't the cause.

It's no wonder Trump supporters have to sign a disclaimer to attend the rally.

I'm happy to go through the numbers with anyone, but I dare say those who will demand the numbers as if it will prove what I've said isn't true have no intention of actually looking at them and will end up just abusing me when they can't talk their way out of this, they're only going to troll and attack anyone who lives in reality, so the new me has decided not to waste my time on them.

But if anyone else wants to post the stats, I'm happy to go through them with you if you'd like

lee wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:12pm:


Before I do petal, can I ask you, do you doubt these are true?

If so, what sort of evidence would you require to change your mind, change your opinion?

Nothing comes for free and if I'm going to likely waste my time on you, I'd like to set the terms of engagement lest you try to weasel your slimy way out on a semantic technicality as usual.

lee wrote on Jun 16^th, 2020 at 7:53pm:



The Guardian lee? That's the best you can do, lee? Did you read the reason why, lee? What the FDA did was formally revoke the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate AKA Hydroxybonercream 3000.

FDA's Chief Scientist Denise Hinton wrote that there was no evidence the drug sped recovery or increased survival rates among coronavirus patients, and in fact its use is associated with a statistically significant increase in cardiac risk for patients.

"FDA has concluded that, based on this new information and other information discussed in the attached memorandum, it is no longer reasonable to believe that oral formulations of HCQ and CQ may be effective in treating COVID-19, nor is it reasonable to believe that the known and potential benefits of these products outweigh their known and potential risks," she wrote.

The whole EUA authorization that appears to have been based on political rather than scientific considerations and will undoubtedly be the subject of House investigations for the foreseeable future. This is because ol' F A T T Y T admitted publicly that he was the one who forced the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) to issue the EUA, and also forced it to override the standard review process. So how's that for "observation," lee?


Say, Preparation H has been approved by the FDA for decades, lee. Who is the FDA to inject itself into its use as eye drops?? Do it and tell us your "observational" data, lee.

Richdude wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 12:29pm:




Are you still on this rubbish. And your graph proves squat

Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:



Poor Marla; doesn't understand quotes. It is actually what he said petal.

Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:


But is it data petal

Marla wrote on Jun 17^th, 2020 at 4:47am:



Is that the best you could come up with?  Eyedrops?