freediver wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 6:15pm:


muslims being convicted was the furthest thing from my mind when I wrote that FD. Congratulations on once again missing the point.

Why are you so confused about this simple concept that unlike claiming someone's guilt, claiming someone's innocence doesn't actually require evidence (when no evidence of their guilt exists)?

rhino wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 4:52pm:


One of us is certainly having difficulty with English. How do you expect we get to your "reasonable assumption" if not for the evidence you cite Rhino hmmm?

If we understand evidence by its formal definition:

the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Then thats exactly what you did, provided an (alleged) "body of facts"/information to support what you call a "reasonable assumption". Specifically, "The fact that this halal money cannot allegedly be traced...[means its reasonable that it goes to terrorists]"

Also just FYI, the money trail is not "hidden", they are just not obliged to disclose it - given none of the halal certifiers are public companies.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 12:17pm:


Funny, describes you to a tee FD

rhino wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2020 at 6:52pm:


their own money? So people that pay halal fee's get to keep their money? 

It's not their money dopey, it's money others paid for in fees to certify their product as halal

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 12:33pm:


Earth to Gandalf, we are not talking about someone's innocence. We are talking about Greg's claim that 0% of halal fees are used to fund terrorism. You are doing the dishonest Muslim tapdance by pretending that concepts such as innocence remove any onus of evidence from people making such claims.

It is like when your fellow Muslims insist that the absence of rape convictions in Muslim countries is proof that rapes don't happen, rather than evidence of Islamic justice facilitating rape. Your logic would compel Muslims and their apologists to deliberately lie about rape, and thus further facilitate rape of women in Muslim countries. Which low and behold is exactly what happens - Muslims and their apologists telling convenient lies about terrorism, rape etc in the name of Islam. Helping to cover up and facilitate terrorism and rape at every opportunity, like good little turd polishers.

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 2:54pm:


They are  exactly the same FD. Not sending any money to terrorists means they are  innocent of the serious crime of sending money to terrorists. You do realise that the thing you are getting so hot and bothered by relates to the committing of a very serious crime right? Perhaps you don't quite understand that the thing that seems to cause you so much outrage is the idea that someone can assert that a group of muslims has not actually engaged in a very serious criminal offense - with zero evidence, zero conviction, zero charges, and so far as anyone knows, zero criminal investigation.


freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 2:54pm:


So apparently you would argue that actual evidence of rape is somehow not necessary for proving instances of rampant rape? Again, it is Islam, therefore guilty by default. And this just proves your screwed up mindset. You don't even bother with evidence and objective analysis. Instead you just roll out the same old tired sinister muslim narrative and use it to justify pretty much any accusation against them. Evidence of rape? No need - just look at Islamic law. Evidence of halal money going to terrorists? No need - what else would sinister muslims do with it? Evidence of school girls systematically being shot for attending school? No need - what are you a taliban supporter?? And so on and so on.

Grand Mufti of Libya: Suicide bombings are “allowed by Sharia law” APR 23, 2020

“Indeed, Allah has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties, for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of Allah, so they kill and are killed.” (Qur’an 9:111)

“If detonating oneself while carrying out a fedaai operation rattles the enemy and brings upon it a crushing defeat, then it is allowed by shari’a law.

If a person is certain that this act will cause great harm to the enemy, then it is allowed by shari’a law

Yes in islam, suicide bombing will definitely get you into paradise.

But under no circumstances can halal fees used to fund suicide bombing and other sundry muslim acts of terrorism

Yeah right:

1/. The sun will come up in the west tomorrow.

2/. Pigs will fly.

3/. The cows are going to jump over the next full moon.

How bloody stupid are the lying *moderates* and their boot licking lunatic leftard supporters?

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 4:05pm:


So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty? And reflexively pander to it when other people make it up?

Do you see how this sort of thing could lead to people concluding that Muslims are untrustworthy?