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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #180 - Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:29pm:
I already explained Gandalf. Argumentum ad consequentiam is a logical fallacy.


You don't even know the meaning of the phrase. You don't even know that this is exactly what you do, and not just in this thread. "All muslims support genocide - because it suits my prejudice" is about the most blatant example.

You haven't even begun to explain why assuming halal certifiers are innocent of a crime when there is no evidence to say otherwise - is "making up statistics" and "irrational".
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Reply #181 - Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm
 
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"All muslims support genocide - because it suits my prejudice" is about the most blatant example.


Strawman. Which, BTW, is a logical fallacy.

Have you ever met a Muslim who doesn't struggle with simple stuff like this?

Who is this "someone" you are talking about?
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Reply #182 - Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm:
Who is this "someone" you are talking about?


Halal certifiers obviously.

And in case you are still having trouble with elementary English, you haven't even begun to explain how asserting that zero percent of halal certifier's money going to terrorists when there is no evidence saying otherwise - is "making up statistics" and "irrational".
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Reply #183 - Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:06pm
 
I never said it was irrational. You 0% statement is making up statistics. You admitted you made it up. It's your attempt to justify making up statistics that is irrational.
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Reply #184 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:06pm:
You 0% statement is making up statistics.


Asserting that someone spends 0% of their money in criminal activities - when there is no evidence suggesting otherwise - is not "making up statistics". It is a perfectly reasonable and honest thing to say. You actually agree with this, because you object to the assertion that saying the same about your spear fishing club is also making up statistics. Your explanation of the difference was your claim there was "plenty of evidence" of halal certifiers sending money to terrorists (and presumably not for your spear fishing club).

Hence, your insistence that I am making up statistics in this case is justified purely on the idea that there is "plenty" (presumably translating as "sufficient") of evidence to conclude that it is not 0%.

The problem of course, is there is no evidence, let alone "plenty". You demonstrated this all by yourself when your only justification for such a claim was the idiotic retort that me and all muslims "acted dodgy" about the whole question.

Thus we are back to square one. It seems to me you don't have a leg to stand on - unless one of two things happen: 1. you actually cough up some of this evidence you assure me exists that apparently makes the notion that assuming these certifiers are innocent of the crime of sending money to terrorists is so outrageous, or 2. you exercise a bit of consistency, and concede that the general practice of assuming anyone invests zero amount of their money in criminal activities - when there is no evidence to suggest otherwise - is also "making up statistics" and presumably something to be ridiculed.
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Reply #185 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:44pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm:
Who is this "someone" you are talking about?


Halal certifiers obviously.


Are you suggesting there is only one of them?
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Reply #186 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 7:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:44pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm:
Who is this "someone" you are talking about?


Halal certifiers obviously.


Are you suggesting there is only one of them?


No.

FD if you don't want to address any of my actual points, there really is no compulsion to blurt out the first idiotic and irrelevant thing that comes into your head as a substitute. Remember you always have the option of just not saying anything at all. That would be a lot more intellectually stimulating than this routine.
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Reply #187 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:19pm
 
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FD if you don't want to address any of my actual points


Can we establish what they are first?

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Asserting that someone spends 0% of their money in criminal activities


Who are you talking about here?
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Reply #188 - Jun 22nd, 2020 at 11:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 7:03pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 6:44pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 7:00pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2020 at 6:54pm:
Who is this "someone" you are talking about?


Halal certifiers obviously.


Are you suggesting there is only one of them?


No.

FD if you don't want to address any of my actual points, there really is no compulsion to blurt out the first idiotic and irrelevant thing that comes into your head as a substitute. Remember you always have the option of just not saying anything at all. That would be a lot more intellectually stimulating than this routine.


Now now, G, the only thing FD's blurted out in the last 13 years has a question mark on the end. You know, like this:

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What sound does a jellyfish make?


Careful, G, it's a trick question.
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Reply #189 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 12:39pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 21st, 2020 at 8:19pm:
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FD if you don't want to address any of my actual points


Can we establish what they are first?


That would be the same points I've been repeating for around 13 pages now, and which you continue to deflect.

Lets start with your lie and smear that there is "plenty of evidence" that halal certifiers send money to terrorists, and the fact that the only way you attempt to substantiate the claim is by claiming that muslims act "dodgy" when asked about it.

You can try and salvage that claim by pointing to some actual evidence, you know like I've asked you about a dozen times now. Thats one point. Another one is, if you can't or continue to refuse to mention any such evidence, explain to me why saying halal certifiers send 0% of their money to terrorists is "making up statistics"
and "lying" (as you continually sneer), but me claiming that none of your ozpolitic ad revenue is sent to neo-nazi terrorists is also not "lying" and "making up stats".

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Asserting that someone spends 0% of their money in criminal activities

Who are you talking about here?


halal certifiers. But I do get you wanting to play dumb and nitpick the singular "someone" when we are talking about a group of people. Though it is one of the more desparate deflection tactics i've seen you adopt.
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Reply #190 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 2:08pm
 
Can I nominate Gandalf for sainthood?
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Reply #191 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 2:32pm
 
Too kind JS. In truth though, I would rather FD stop tapdancing and give me a reply that actually addresses the point and is even just a little bit coherent.
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Reply #193 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 4:20pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 29th, 2020 at 2:32pm:
Too kind JS. In truth though, I would rather FD stop tapdancing and give me a reply that actually addresses the point and is even just a little bit coherent.


You've got more chance of being canonized.
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Reply #194 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 8:53pm
 
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Lets start with your lie and smear that there is "plenty of evidence" that halal certifiers send money to terrorists, and the fact that the only way you attempt to substantiate the claim is by claiming that muslims act "dodgy" when asked about it.


What do you mean by 'dodgy'?

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Too kind JS. In truth though, I would rather FD stop tapdancing and give me a reply that actually addresses the point and is even just a little bit coherent.


Still not sure what the point is. You have made repeated references to accusing someone of something, but are yet to tell me who it is we are talking about. As far as I can tell your 'point' amounts to little more than conflating the fact that Muslims fund Islamic terrorism with some idiotic concept of an assumption of guilty until proven innocent that you appear to have concocted.

You are so eager to twist words that you have abandoned conventions of grammar, and now blame me for finding your dribble incomprehensible.
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