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Reply #90 - Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

It would be interesting to see if you displayed the same level of ridiculous outrage about "making up crap" if someone dared to assert something like your local spear fishing club sent zero percent of their funds to child pornography rings or some such. Would you fly into the same hissy fit and accuse them of lies etc?

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Reply #91 - Apr 24^th, 2020 at 7:33pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

It would be interesting to see if you displayed the same level of ridiculous outrage about "making up crap" if someone dared to assert something like your local spear fishing club sent zero percent of their funds to child pornography rings or some such. Would you fly into the same hissy fit and accuse them of lies etc?

You are simply not trusted, as Muslims. Same for the Chinese. You are not trusted.

You may not have been proven to be guilty about a particular issue but you have been found to be lying and dissembled so many other times that your word is worthless. You, like the Chinese Commies, are proven enemies of Western democracies. You are not constitutional democrats in hijabs and pajamas - you are jihadis for Islam, agit-prop cadres for the CCP

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Reply #92 - Apr 24^th, 2020 at 9:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

No it's not Gandalf. It's a Muslim, trying to change the definition to suit their deception, in the name of Islam.

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Reply #93 - Apr 24^th, 2020 at 10:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 4:18pm:

By way of an analogy to demonstrate how absurd FD's attitude here is...

you take an ordinary person off the street who you know not a thing about. Point him/her out to a third person and ask them what percentage of their income they think that person sends to child pornography rings who routinely rape children (or insert whatever vile criminal outfit you like).

The third person answers "zero"

You then proceed to have a hissy fit and demand evidence for such a claim, show outrage that such a claim could even be made, and spit invective at the person for "spouting nonsense" and "lying".

Take away the red herring that is Islam, and that is exactly what FD is doing here.

Islam is a red herring? So we have no reason to suspect terrorist sympathies from Islamists in this country? Better contact ASIO and the AFP and tell them they are on the wrong track, its not Islamists supporting ISIS. Muslims arent responsible for Islamic terrorist attacks. Let them know.

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Reply #94 - Apr 25^th, 2020 at 10:41am

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

No it's not Gandalf. It's a Muslim, trying to change the definition to suit their deception, in the name of Islam.

What percentage of halal funds going to terrorists would you say fits the description of being innocent of the crime of sending halal funds to terrorists FD?

Take your time.

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Reply #95 - Apr 25^th, 2020 at 10:45am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2020 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

No it's not Gandalf. It's a Muslim, trying to change the definition to suit their deception, in the name of Islam.

What percentage of halal funds going to terrorists would you say fits the description of being innocent of the crime of sending halal funds to terrorists FD?

Take your time.

Your question does not even make sense Gandalf. You are deliberately conflating the presumption of innocence with actual innocence. As usual, you are being a dissembling Muslim.

What do you hope to achieve with this? Do you think you can trick people into believing all Muslims are innocent? They'd have to convert to Islam to believe that Gandalf. The presumption of innocence is not the same thing as the BS you are fed by your Imam.

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Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding
Reply #96 - Apr 25^th, 2020 at 10:53am

rhino wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 10:01pm:

Islam is a red herring? So we have no reason to suspect terrorist sympathies from Islamists in this country? Better contact ASIO and the AFP and tell them they are on the wrong track, its not Islamists supporting ISIS. Muslims arent responsible for Islamic terrorist attacks. Let them know.

Neither ASIO or the AFP are investigating halal certifiers - as far as anyone here knows, so what exactly is your piont? Why are you suddenly ranting about Islamists and muslim terrorists when the question is over organisations who provide halal certificates?

Is it simply a case of lumping all muslims into the same basket and saying 'guilty by association' and to hell with any actual evidence?

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Reply #97 - Apr 25^th, 2020 at 11:05am

FD do you believe these halal certifiers have the right to a presumption of innocence in the accusation that they send money to terrorists?

what percentage of funds are halal certifiers presumed to be sending to terrorists if they are givem the presumption of innocence? If you can answer this, perhaps you can then explain to me what meaningful difference the answer to this is to stating "zero percentage of halal fees go to terrorists"

Would you say also that in the same spirit of the right to a presumption of innocence, it was wrong of you to accuse the Australian Federation of Islamic Council of sending money to terrorists without a shred of evidence?

Try if you can to answer without resorting to personal attacks.

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Reply #98 - Apr 25^th, 2020 at 6:36pm

You would have to live with the fairy's at the bottom of the garden, or perhaps under a railway bridge with the trolls, to try and tell normal people that halal fees are not used to fund terrorism.

muslims spend untold billions on terrorism, civil wars, slaughtering innocent unbelievers, etc. etc.

Buuutt there is no possible way muslims will use halal funds for their psychopathic blood lust.

All other sources of money are used to fund their blood letting, buuut halal fees are most definitely excluded.

O.K. now remember people don't be frightened, because tomorrow, the sun will rise in the west, pigs will fly overhead, the cow will jump over the moon and your dish will run away with the spoon.

Just how bloody stupid are *moderates* and loony leftards who try and tell us halal fees would not be used to fund terrorism.

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Reply #99 - Apr 26^th, 2020 at 8:47am

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2020 at 11:05am:

FD do you believe these halal certifiers have the right to a presumption of innocence in the accusation that they send money to terrorists?

Of course. But you lie when you say that making up statistics is the "very definition" of the presumption of innocence. It might help you to understand what is going on here if you discard your delusion of infallibility.

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Reply #100 - Apr 28^th, 2020 at 6:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2020 at 10:41am:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 9:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 6:45pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 24^th, 2020 at 5:53pm:

So we are compelled to make up crap like 0% of halal funds go to terrorists in order to comply with your moronic version of innocent until proven guilty?

Saying 0% of halal funds go to terrorists because there is no evidence suggesting otherwise is the very definition of innocent until proven guilty FD.

No it's not Gandalf. It's a Muslim, trying to change the definition to suit their deception, in the name of Islam.

What percentage of halal funds going to terrorists would you say fits the description of being innocent of the crime of sending halal funds to terrorists FD?

Take your time.

Where do the funds for Islamic terrorism come from?

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Halal fees and terrorism funding Reply #101 - Apr 28^th, 2020 at 6:17pm Wweelll everywhere except halal funding, which is 100% excluded from terrorism funding. I know I know, the sun will rise in the west tomorrow, pigs are going to fly, cows will jump over the moon and the dish will run away with the spoon.
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Reply #102 - Apr 30^th, 2020 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2020 at 8:47am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2020 at 11:05am:

FD do you believe these halal certifiers have the right to a presumption of innocence in the accusation that they send money to terrorists?

Of course.

which would involve "presuming" they send what percentage of their funds to terrorists FD? Again, take your time.

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But you lie when you say that making up statistics is the "very definition" of the presumption of innocence. It might help you to understand what is going on here if you discard your delusion of infallibility.

Saying that certifiers send zero percent of their funds to terrorists in the absense of any evidence suggesting otherwise, is not making up statistics. Presuming halal certifiers are innocent of sending any of their funds to terrorists (aka "zero percent" of halal funds) - is the very definition of presumption of innocence.

Saying that 100% of muslims support genocide on the other hand...

I guess your next trick will be to claim that "all muslims" supporting genocide is somehow not a statistic that you made up.

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Reply #103 - May 2^nd, 2020 at 9:11am

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which would involve "presuming" they send what percentage of their funds to terrorists FD? Again, take your time.

You lie when you argue that the presumption of innocence requires or implies any kind of assumptions about crime statistics.

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Saying that certifiers send zero percent of their funds to terrorists in the absense of any evidence suggesting otherwise, is not making up statistics.

It is the very definition of making up statistics Gandalf. You and Greg are lying.

The Muslim and the apologist, telling lies to facilitate the funding of Islamic terrorism.

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Reply #104 - May 11^th, 2020 at 1:33pm

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 9:11am:

ou lie when you argue that the presumption of innocence requires or implies any kind of assumptions about crime statistics.

No its what I genuinely believe. That is by definition not a lie.

Assuming someone is innocent of the crime of sending money to terrorists absolutely implies an assumption about crime statistics - namely assuming that exactly 0% of their money went to terrorists. Its simply unfathomable that you cna't comprehend this basic point.

Why do you even bother replying - since you just repeat the same discredited crap without bothering to even listen to what I say in response? What percentage of terrorist funding would halal certifiers be presumed to be sending to terrorists if they are given the assumption of innocence? Oops better not answer that one - cause it will actually refute your broken record crap about making up statistics.

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2020 at 9:11am:

It is the very definition of making up statistics Gandalf. You and Greg are lying.

What crap. If I assumed it to be anything other than 0% without a shred of evidence, then that is actually the very definition of making up statistics. What percentage of your spear-fishing club's funds do you think go towards child pornography rings? I dare you to say 'zero', and I'll throw that 'making up stats' bullshit right back at you. Maybe then you'll see what rubbish it actually is.

Another open-shut definition of making up statistics is to say all muslims support genocide - without having the slightest idea of what all muslims think.

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