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COVID Italy: dispelling the pandemic illusion
Apr 10th, 2020 at 2:50am
 
This is from Jon Rappaport.

The following information on Italy is as of March 30.  It comes from an article posted at Swiss Propaganda Research.  It describes reports from the Italian National Health Institute.  It confirms what I've been writing about Italy---which is:

Take a population of many elderly people who already have serious, multiple, long-term health conditions, including lung conditions.  Note that these people have already been treated with a number of toxic medical drugs.  Add in very toxic air pollution in certain sectors of the country---which, in fact, accounts for a great amount of these lung problems.  Consider that pneumonia---said to be a cardinal feature of COVID-19---has been rampant in Italy for a long time, long before the emergence of the supposed coronavirus.  Numbers of flu-like illness cases and pneumonia cases, going back before "the pandemic," are huge.  These cases show the same general symptoms attributed to COVID.  Finally, use a diagnostic test, which, as I've described, can rack up false-positives for reasons that have nothing to do with COVID...and you have the illusion of a new epidemic.

"But...but what about the overflowing ICU wards in hospitals?"

Think it through.  Every elderly ill person with lung problems now fears he/she might "have the virus," and so comes the flood of people to hospital.  It's no mystery.

All right.  Here are excerpts from the Swiss Propaganda Research article, "Facts about Covid-19":

"According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old."

"80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer."

"Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women."

"The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both."


"The two Italians deceased [!!] under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases)."

"The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide [toxic] anti-viral therapies."

"Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which had already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic."

"South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known."

I'll clarify a further point.  Even if the diagnostic tests on patients claim to show the presence of the COVID-19 virus---and even if we accept that finding as true---the test has never been proved to be able to say HOW MUCH virus is in a patient's body.  And that is vital, because, to even begin talking about a person actually getting sick, he would have to have millions and millions of virus actively replicating in his body.  Therefore, the finding of the test is irrelevant in the real world, as opposed to the lab.

In the real world, of which Italy is a part, people who are aged, who have multiple and very serious long-term health problems, who have been treated for years with toxic drugs---these people die of those factors.  There is no need for a purportedly new virus to explain why they are dying.

The absolute fraud and crime involved here are enormous.  The perpetrators, in their bubble of reputation, wall-to-wall false science, media robots, and government back-up will escape with their careers intact.
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Re: COVID Italy: dispelling the pandemic illusion
Reply #1 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am
 

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..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Reply #2 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
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..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   
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Reply #3 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:11am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



I sincerely hope you get a massive does of this virus. You will probably still think it is a hoax, but your suffering will be karmic.
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Reply #4 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:14am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:11am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



I sincerely hope you get a massive does of this virus. You will probably still think it is a hoax, but your suffering will be karmic.




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Re: COVID Italy: dispelling the pandemic illusion
Reply #5 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:17am
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:11am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



I sincerely hope you get a massive does of this virus. You will probably still think it is a hoax, but your suffering will be karmic.



Yet you call yourself a Christian?

Longy is in league with the devil.
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Re: COVID Italy: dispelling the pandemic illusion
Reply #6 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:23am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:17am:
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:11am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



I sincerely hope you get a massive does of this virus. You will probably still think it is a hoax, but your suffering will be karmic.



Yet you call yourself a Christian?

Longy is in league with the devil.



It would be a powerful learning experience. The truly stupid like him only ever learn things the hard way.
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Reply #7 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:32am
 
Jon Rappaport is a known anti-vaxxer and a huckster. He appeals to the likes of Alex Jone$ and Glenn Beck. He has little if any credibility n the journalistic community other than sell his book scams to artards like bitchrude who is too stupid to anything himself.
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Reply #8 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:36am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   


The video could be a some weeks old.
So he misjudged it badly.
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Reply #9 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:53am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 2:50am:
This is from Jon Rappaport.

The following information on Italy is as of March 30.  It comes from an article posted at Swiss Propaganda Research.  It describes reports from the Italian National Health Institute.  It confirms what I've been writing about Italy---which is:

Take a population of many elderly people who already have serious, multiple, long-term health conditions, including lung conditions.  Note that these people have already been treated with a number of toxic medical drugs.  Add in very toxic air pollution in certain sectors of the country---which, in fact, accounts for a great amount of these lung problems.  Consider that pneumonia---said to be a cardinal feature of COVID-19---has been rampant in Italy for a long time, long before the emergence of the supposed coronavirus.  Numbers of flu-like illness cases and pneumonia cases, going back before "the pandemic," are huge.  These cases show the same general symptoms attributed to COVID.  Finally, use a diagnostic test, which, as I've described, can rack up false-positives for reasons that have nothing to do with COVID...and you have the illusion of a new epidemic.

"But...but what about the overflowing ICU wards in hospitals?"

Think it through.  Every elderly ill person with lung problems now fears he/she might "have the virus," and so comes the flood of people to hospital.  It's no mystery.

All right.  Here are excerpts from the Swiss Propaganda Research article, "Facts about Covid-19":

"According to the latest data of the Italian National Health Institute ISS, the average age of the positively-tested deceased in Italy is currently about 81 years. 10% of the deceased are over 90 years old. 90% of the deceased are over 70 years old."

"80% of the deceased had suffered from two or more chronic diseases. 50% of the deceased had suffered from three or more chronic diseases. The chronic diseases include in particular cardiovascular problems, diabetes, respiratory problems and cancer."

"Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women."

"The Italian Institute of Health moreover distinguishes between those who died from the coronavirus and those who died with the coronavirus. In many cases it is not yet clear whether the persons died from the virus or from their pre-existing chronic diseases or from a combination of both."


"The two Italians deceased [!!] under 40 years of age (both 39 years old) were a cancer patient and a diabetes patient with additional complications. In these cases, too, the exact cause of death was not yet clear (i.e. if from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases)."

"The partial overloading of the hospitals is due to the general rush of patients and the increased number of patients requiring special or intensive care. In particular, the aim is to stabilize respiratory function and, in severe cases, to provide [toxic] anti-viral therapies."

"Northern Italy has one of the oldest populations and the worst air quality in Europe, which had already led to an increased number of respiratory diseases and deaths in the past and is likely an additional risk factor in the current epidemic."

"South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known."

I'll clarify a further point.  Even if the diagnostic tests on patients claim to show the presence of the COVID-19 virus---and even if we accept that finding as true---the test has never been proved to be able to say HOW MUCH virus is in a patient's body.  And that is vital, because, to even begin talking about a person actually getting sick, he would have to have millions and millions of virus actively replicating in his body.  Therefore, the finding of the test is irrelevant in the real world, as opposed to the lab.

In the real world, of which Italy is a part, people who are aged, who have multiple and very serious long-term health problems, who have been treated for years with toxic drugs---these people die of those factors.  There is no need for a purportedly new virus to explain why they are dying.

The absolute fraud and crime involved here are enormous.  The perpetrators, in their bubble of reputation, wall-to-wall false science, media robots, and government back-up will escape with their careers intact.


That's right, Rich. Just imagine, they didn't even do a Covid 19 test in the autopsy. They're just pretending.

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Reply #10 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #11 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:34pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:11am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 3:55am:
Quote:
..........South Korea, for instance, has experienced a much milder course than Italy and has already passed the peak of the epidemic. In South Korea, only about 70 deaths with a positive test result have been reported so far. As in Italy, those affected were mostly high-risk patients."

"The few dozen test-positive Swiss deaths so far were also high-risk patients with chronic diseases, an average age of more than 80 years and a maximum age of 97 years, whose exact cause of death, i.e. from the virus or from their pre-existing diseases, is not yet known.".........


South Korea - 204 dead

Switzerland - 948 deaths

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



I sincerely hope you get a massive does of this virus. You will probably still think it is a hoax, but your suffering will be karmic.


Your karma has already happened to you - sick bastard!
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Reply #12 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:45pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin


Notice how these paid trolls focus on the messenger on not on the message.

Simply because they cannot provide an alternate argument - just insults.

Dead End aka Marla have been caught out telling porkies so often in the past.
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Reply #13 - Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:52pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin


Number of deaths increase with time - have you noticed John? That doesn't make them wrong at the time - does it!

Jon Rappaport is a Pulitzer nominated reporter who has written 5 books regarding the medical industry. His knowledge of this industry is indisputable.
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Reply #14 - Apr 11th, 2020 at 10:27am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin


Notice how these paid trolls focus on the messenger on not on the message.

Simply because they cannot provide an alternate argument - just insults.

Dead End aka Marla have been caught out telling porkies so often in the past.


Hypocrite!

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Reply #15 - Apr 11th, 2020 at 10:31am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:52pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin


Number of deaths increase with time - have you noticed John? That doesn't make them wrong at the time - does it!

Jon Rappaport is a Pulitzer nominated reporter who has written 5 books regarding the medical industry. His knowledge of this industry is indisputable.



comparing deaths at week one with deaths at week 5 elsewhere shows just how knowledgeable he is Grin Grin
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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 3:58am
 
scope wrote on Apr 11th, 2020 at 10:27am:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:45pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:28pm:
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 5:45am:
He's either lying or the video was made several weeks  ago before the current numbers.

Which could it be hmm..?   



so several weeks was all it took to prove him wrong Grin Grin Grin


Notice how these paid trolls focus on the messenger on not on the message.

Simply because they cannot provide an alternate argument - just insults.

Dead End aka Marla have been caught out telling porkies so often in the past.


Hypocrite!



No need to scream, we all know this about Marla/Dead one already.

Here's an interesting video. Watch it if you dare.


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Reply #17 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:22am
 
Marla wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 10:32am:
Jon Rappaport is a known anti-vaxxer and a huckster. He appeals to the likes of Alex Jone$ and Glenn Beck. He has little if any credibility n the journalistic community other than sell his book scams to artards like bitchrude who is too stupid to anything himself.



and as a young female pot smoker, you just happen to know this,

you 60 yo ledftie intellectual man , posing as a young female pot smoker  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #18 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:33am
 
the best data is from a population study of a random town which showed that italy has a HUGE denominator error.
the icovid positive rate showed that of 94 people who tested positive in the town, only 3 had already been tested and they were (surprise, surprise) the 3 who had gone to hospital.

if you looked at the original data, you would say, covid had a 3/3 or 100 % hospitalisation rate...quite concerning.

when you look at the facts , it had a 3/94 hospitalisation rate or about 3 %.

1 of those died, so thats a case fatality rate of 1 %.

thats in line with extensive south korean testing .6% and testing froma german town where 94 % of the population were tested and the case fatality rate was .37 % .


seasonal flu has a case fatality rate of about .15 %.

yes this is going to be 3 to 4 x tthe usual flu season.

as i pointed out, seasonal flu killed 480 CHILDREN in the USA last year.

that did not spark media attention.

if 460 children die of covid, i will be surpirised.

and lets be honest.
the death of a 95 yo with multiple co morbidities is not , in any way worse then the death of a child.

if you are a 95 yo with multiple co morbidities, a very very mild illness can take you out.

just some perspective.

italy has lost 20,000 with positive tests.

but italy in the same period has had about 120,000 deaths from  other things and it is reasonable to say that many people are dying with it and maybe it is a contributing factor, the 'straw that broke the camels back" but for the majority it is not a catastrophic infection
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Reply #19 - Apr 16th, 2020 at 5:33am
 
Richdude wrote on Apr 10th, 2020 at 11:34pm:
Your karma has already happened to you - sick bastard!


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ROME, Nov 7 (Reuters) - The number of people aged over 100 in Italy has increased by 30% over the past 10 years, while birth rates have continued to decline.

There were more than 22,000 Italians in the age bracket between 100 and 104 in 2024, up from just over 17,000 in 2014, according to a report by national statistics bureau ISTAT on Thursday. The vast majority of them - 81% - are women.

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