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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #15 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 12:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 2:54pm:

I'm doomed.
I nearly died twice in my life from the ordinary flu and this one is 20 times stronger.

Spend up big with your $750 before you go.

Have a big party next Tuesday, on St Patrick's Day.

Damn - I always forget that.... despite my grandmother being a direct legitimate descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages himself.... and thus my being a descendant of the ancient Irish High Kings... (nothing unique) ...

Get in the Guinness NOW!

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #16 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 5:47am

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 12:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 2:54pm:

I'm doomed.
I nearly died twice in my life from the ordinary flu and this one is 20 times stronger.

Spend up big with your $750 before you go.

Have a big party next Tuesday, on St Patrick's Day.

Damn - I always forget that.... despite my grandmother being a direct legitimate descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages himself.... and thus my being a descendant of the ancient Irish High Kings... (nothing unique) ...

Get in the Guinness NOW!

I'm taking a week off work for St Pat's day.

Luckily I found some paracetamol in Woolies yesterday.

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #17 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 6:00am

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 6:37pm:

cods wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 5:20pm:

gees Men are more affected than women...

wow!...thats not good.

That means a lot of widows.

Australia's population 25 million.
At a 60% infection rate and a 1% mortality rate that's
150,000 people dead in Australia.

*Assuming the mortality rate is that high, which we don't know yet.

Yes, your math is correct, but your assumptions aren't.

HB?

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #19 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 8:40am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 6:00am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 6:37pm:

cods wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 5:20pm:

gees Men are more affected than women...

wow!...thats not good.

That means a lot of widows.

Australia's population 25 million.
At a 60% infection rate and a 1% mortality rate that's
150,000 people dead in Australia.

*Assuming the mortality rate is that high, which we don't know yet.

Yes, your math is correct, but your assumptions aren't.

HB?

Hell even if thats an ICU rate 150,000 ICU patients in this country?

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #20 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #21 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #22 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:31am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

The W.H.O. have been laying in bed with China!
Thus Taiwan is ignored/rejected by them, but guess what, Taiwan are the smartest country in this whole world.

Kudos to them !

Any country shaking hands making deals with China are the sickest countries now outside China.
I’m truly upset about Italy making deals with China, and Italy was warned by the EU and allies not to!!!
Now my relatives and cousins are living locked up in fear.
I have been messaging them and it’s scary for them with the way this virus is just so eloquently taking over so much so quickly!!!

https://youtu.be/cJmJOE01ZJ4

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #23 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:34am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

Every medical export that I had looked up, they were all saying it would be classed as a Pandemic, he's not clairvoyant or even special.

The problem is that agencies like the WHO have to rely on current numbers and confirmed information. They basically follow the best practices of the scientific process.

Like Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS, they have to follow certain guidelines before making the declaration.

But everyone saw the writing on the wall and were saying it would likely be upgraded to this status.

Hopefully, now it will help countries unlock funds and better practices while the experts develop a vaccine.

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:45am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

Every medical export that I had looked up, they were all saying it would be classed as a Pandemic, he's not clairvoyant or even special.

The problem is that agencies like the WHO have to rely on current numbers and confirmed information. They basically follow the best practices of the scientific process.

Like Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS, they have to follow certain guidelines before making the declaration.

But everyone saw the writing on the wall and were saying it would likely be upgraded to this status.

Hopefully, now it will help countries unlock funds and better practices while the experts develop a vaccine.

Maybe not clairvoyant but he could see where it would lead to if advice not taken heed of ( and it wasn’t) and action not taken to avert it becoming pandemic ( which it wasn’t).

So why wait until the horses have bolted. Why discount any warning?
Taiwan took it all into their stride to take heed of advice, take action, and they have excellent results for it.

Why couldn’t the rest of us do that too?

Of course it’s all about leadership .... erm or lack of.

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #26 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:57am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

Every medical export that I had looked up, they were all saying it would be classed as a Pandemic, he's not clairvoyant or even special.

The problem is that agencies like the WHO have to rely on current numbers and confirmed information. They basically follow the best practices of the scientific process.

Like Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS, they have to follow certain guidelines before making the declaration.

But everyone saw the writing on the wall and were saying it would likely be upgraded to this status.

Hopefully, now it will help countries unlock funds and better practices while the experts develop a vaccine.

So how come scumo,trump and the WHO didn't follow and track the case numbers ? It isn't rocket science you know ! Perhaps they need to go back to school to learn about compounding and exponential growth !!

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Reply #27 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 11:01am

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:45am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:34am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 10:18am:

Sophia wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 9:48am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 9:57pm:

lee wrote on Mar 12^th, 2020 at 4:50pm:

Ok So it isn't Adam Taggart who writes the column but his business partner.

From Mother Jones website.

"One popular series on the virus is produced by a personal finance guru with a history of pushing economic theories about peak oil and other resource crunches, but who has recently rebranded as a pandemic expert as news coverage of the virus has exploded."

"While Martenson calls himself a scientist in the video’s titles, his claim to the label is, according to him, based on a 1994 PhD from Duke’s Department of Pathology where he specialized in toxicology. While he published scientific research in the ’90s, for at least the last decade Martenson has focused on predicting stagflation and other large shifts in financial markets."

"In the four days since that video’s release, Martenson has uploaded six other coronavirus videos that, together, have amassed over a million views. A social media analytics website, Social Blade, shows a spike in new subscribers—in a radical jump from his normal rate, he earned over 12,000 in the past week. "

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2020/02/coronavirus-youtube-creators/

So nothing recent then, but it does explain your gloom and doom scenarios.

then refute what he says you idiot. He called a pandemic long before scumo, trump and the who which have been twiddling their fingers whilst the virus spreads !

Put it this way I have been following his videos for the last two months and I am not short of any dunny rolls or day to day supplies Wink

He (Chris Martensen) and others I listen to, have been correct to date. Using reference of reports globally to inform us.
I see nothing he has done is wrong.

As Nail says, try and refute what information he has shown us about the coronavirus.

Yep he called it back in January !! Only some countries got in early and they managed to stave off an outbreak thus have managed to flatline their case numbers ! Australia and the US wasn't one of them ! Scumo is still telling the punters to go to football matches and shake hands with everyone. What a jerk Sad

Some more important up-to-date info for the naysayers !!

Every medical export that I had looked up, they were all saying it would be classed as a Pandemic, he's not clairvoyant or even special.

The problem is that agencies like the WHO have to rely on current numbers and confirmed information. They basically follow the best practices of the scientific process.

Like Swine Flu, Bird Flu and SARS, they have to follow certain guidelines before making the declaration.

But everyone saw the writing on the wall and were saying it would likely be upgraded to this status.

Hopefully, now it will help countries unlock funds and better practices while the experts develop a vaccine.

Maybe not clairvoyant but he could see where it would lead to if advice not taken heed of ( and it wasn’t) and action not taken to avert it becoming pandemic ( which it wasn’t).

So why wait until the horses have bolted. Why discount any warning?
Taiwan took it all into their stride to take heed of advice, take action, and they have excellent results for it.

Why couldn’t the rest of us do that too?

Of course it’s all about leadership .... erm or lack of.

More likely about money, greed and banks. Even scumo's cavailier attitude to the virus is to address the economy and somehow the health aspects will take care of itself Sad

He was never any good during the fires so why should he be now ?

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Re: Covid-19 is not the flu - It is much worse !
Reply #28 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 11:09am

Sir lastnail wrote on Mar 13^th, 2020 at 11:01am:

More likely about money, greed and banks. Even scumo's cavailier attitude to the virus is to address the economy and somehow the health aspects will take care of itself Sad

He was never any good during the fires so why should he be now ?

Well, at least he's in the country this time and not in Hawaii.

Oh, wait... is that a good thing or bad?

He is here, isn't he? Anyone seen Scotty from Marketing? Hello... hello....

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Reply #29 - Mar 13^th, 2020 at 11:11am

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/487110-tests-indicate-coronavirus-can-surv...

Quote:

Tests indicate coronavirus can survive in the air

Federally funded tests conducted by scientists from several major institutions indicated that the novel form of coronavirus behind a worldwide outbreak can survive in the air for several hours.

A study awaiting peer review from scientists at Princeton University, the University of California-Los Angeles and the National Institutes of Health (NIH) posted online Wednesday indicated that the COVID-19 virus could remain viable in the air "up to 3 hours post aerosolization," while remaining alive on plastic and other surfaces for up to three days.

"Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of HCoV-19 is plausible, as the virus can remain viable in aerosols for multiple hours and on surfaces up to days," reads the study's abstract.

The test results suggest that humans could be infected by the disease simply carried through the air or on a solid surface, even if direct contact with an infected person does not occur. That finding, if accepted, would come in stark contrast to previous media reports that suggested the virus was not easily transmittable outside of direct human contact.

Confirmed cases of coronavirus infection have crossed 121,000 worldwide, with more than 4,300 deaths. The majority of deaths have occurred in mainland China, where the virus is thought to have originated, and Italy, which is experiencing its own large-scale outbreak.

The World Health Organization (WHO) declared the coronavirus outbreak a pandemic on Wednesday, with officials warning that they were "deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction" by world governments to prevent the disease from spreading.

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