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Feb 26th, 2020 at 6:46pm
 
Underemployment in Australia is on the rise and it may only get worse, experts say

ABC News
Feb 26 2020


Desiree Sheets-Chavolla works as a cleaner at Sydney Airport.

She currently does an average of 26 hours a week but would like to work more.

"I'm constantly having to ask for extra work," she told 7.30.

    "They've created like a shark tank for us — we have to fight for any overtime."

Ms Sheets-Chavolla is not alone. Exclusive market research for 7.30 shows almost 1.2 million people were underemployed last year and the problem is only predicted to get worse.
Women, the young and hospitality and retail staff most likely to be underemployed

Michele Levine says part-time jobs are growing at a faster rate than full-time work. (ABC News)

Roy Morgan Research analysed 15 years of research and found the number of underemployed people had jumped almost 450,000 since 2005.   Sad

The research is based on thousands of face-to-face interviews conducted across the country each month.

CEO Michele Levine said an increasing number of workers were frustrated about being trapped in part-time work.   Sad

"Essentially what they're saying is they've got a part-time job, but they would really like to be working more hours," she told 7.30.

"Part-time jobs are growing at a faster rate than full-time jobs. And clearly, when you have part-time jobs, you have a lot of those people would prefer to have more work, they'd prefer to have a full-time job."

According to the Roy Morgan research, 8.7 per cent of the workforce is underemployed, slightly higher than the Australian Bureau of Statistics' (ABS) official figure of 8.5 per cent.

And you are more likely to be underemployed if you are a woman, a worker in your teens or 20s, or you work in three industries where part-time work is common.

The recreation and personal sector, which includes hospitality and fitness workers, is the industry with the highest underemployment, at 20 per cent, followed closely by retail with over 19 per cent underemployment, and community services, which includes teachers and carers, at 10.5 per cent.
'You're always waiting for the next payday'

Despite working two jobs, Desiree Sheets-Chavolla is still struggling. (ABC News)

For Ms Sheets-Chavolla, the lack of work makes it difficult to make ends meet.

"I struggle to pay my bills, I struggle to pay my mortgage," she said.

That means she puts off fixing essentials like her broken hot water heater which is leaking water.

Despite a 50-kilometre commute to the airport for shifts as short as four hours, Ms Sheets-Chavolla has taken on a second cleaning job but says it isn't enough to fill the financial shortfall.

"It doesn't come easy because you're always robbing from Peter to pay Paul and you're always waiting for that next payday and its very stressful," she said.

Roy Morgan's Ms Levine said the economy would benefit from people having extra work if they wanted it.

"We're under-utilising the potential of our people to be doing meaningful work," she said.

"That in itself is a bad thing, that holds the economy back.

    "If more people were actually working and working as many hours as they wanted to, they'd have more money to spend, and that of course, feeds the economy."

The ABS uses a strict definition to calculate its unemployment and underemployment statistics so that it can compare Australia's results with that of other countries.

A person is counted as being employed if they work one hour a week.
$50 for a three-hour shift — 'It's just not enough'


Ndonde Fikiri enjoys her part-time in retail but she wants to work more.

Her shifts can be as short as three hours.

"A three-hour shift, that's like barely $50," she told 7.30.

"Sometimes it takes about $6 to go and come back from work. It's just not enough."

She has been going door-to-door to retail outlets, handing out her resume in a search for more work.

She's not having much luck.

"Only one of the retailers accepted my resume," she said.

"[The search] continues."   Sad

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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2020 at 8:41pm
 
Why do plumbers get to charge a $100 call out charge just for turning up while casual employees get nothing? They should get 1 hour's pay just for being called in.

Why do casual employees not get any pay for being available?
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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 6:46pm:
Underemployment in Australia is on the rise and it may only get worse, experts say

ABC News
Feb 26 2020


Desiree Sheets-Chavolla works as a cleaner at Sydney Airport.

She currently does an average of 26 hours a week but would like to work more.

"I'm constantly having to ask for extra work," she told 7.30.

    "They've created like a shark tank for us — we have to fight for any overtime."

Ms Sheets-Chavolla is not alone. Exclusive market research for 7.30 shows almost 1.2 million people were underemployed last year and the problem is only predicted to get worse.
Women, the young and hospitality and retail staff most likely to be underemployed

Michele Levine says part-time jobs are growing at a faster rate than full-time work. (ABC News)

Roy Morgan Research analysed 15 years of research and found the number of underemployed people had jumped almost 450,000 since 2005.   Sad

The research is based on thousands of face-to-face interviews conducted across the country each month.

CEO Michele Levine said an increasing number of workers were frustrated about being trapped in part-time work.   Sad

"Essentially what they're saying is they've got a part-time job, but they would really like to be working more hours," she told 7.30.

"Part-time jobs are growing at a faster rate than full-time jobs. And clearly, when you have part-time jobs, you have a lot of those people would prefer to have more work, they'd prefer to have a full-time job."

According to the Roy Morgan research, 8.7 per cent of the workforce is underemployed, slightly higher than the Australian Bureau of Statistics' (ABS) official figure of 8.5 per cent.

And you are more likely to be underemployed if you are a woman, a worker in your teens or 20s, or you work in three industries where part-time work is common.

The recreation and personal sector, which includes hospitality and fitness workers, is the industry with the highest underemployment, at 20 per cent, followed closely by retail with over 19 per cent underemployment, and community services, which includes teachers and carers, at 10.5 per cent.
'You're always waiting for the next payday'

Despite working two jobs, Desiree Sheets-Chavolla is still struggling. (ABC News)

For Ms Sheets-Chavolla, the lack of work makes it difficult to make ends meet.

"I struggle to pay my bills, I struggle to pay my mortgage," she said.

That means she puts off fixing essentials like her broken hot water heater which is leaking water.

Despite a 50-kilometre commute to the airport for shifts as short as four hours, Ms Sheets-Chavolla has taken on a second cleaning job but says it isn't enough to fill the financial shortfall.

"It doesn't come easy because you're always robbing from Peter to pay Paul and you're always waiting for that next payday and its very stressful," she said.

Roy Morgan's Ms Levine said the economy would benefit from people having extra work if they wanted it.

"We're under-utilising the potential of our people to be doing meaningful work," she said.

"That in itself is a bad thing, that holds the economy back.

    "If more people were actually working and working as many hours as they wanted to, they'd have more money to spend, and that of course, feeds the economy."

The ABS uses a strict definition to calculate its unemployment and underemployment statistics so that it can compare Australia's results with that of other countries.

A person is counted as being employed if they work one hour a week.
$50 for a three-hour shift — 'It's just not enough'


Ndonde Fikiri enjoys her part-time in retail but she wants to work more.

Her shifts can be as short as three hours.

"A three-hour shift, that's like barely $50," she told 7.30.

"Sometimes it takes about $6 to go and come back from work. It's just not enough."

She has been going door-to-door to retail outlets, handing out her resume in a search for more work.

She's not having much luck.

"Only one of the retailers accepted my resume," she said.

"[The search] continues."   Sad

Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.
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Reply #3 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 7:22am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 8:41pm:
Why do plumbers get to charge a $100 call out charge just for turning up while casual employees get nothing? They should get 1 hour's pay just for being called in.

Why do casual employees not get any pay for being available?


Supply and demand
Do plumbers get paid for being available
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Reply #4 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 7:27am
 
It has been this way for decades under all Governments???

Huh Huh Huh

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/counting-one-hours-work-a-...
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Reply #5 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am
 
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
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Reply #6 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:05am
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 7:22am:
Bam wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 8:41pm:
Why do plumbers get to charge a $100 call out charge just for turning up while casual employees get nothing? They should get 1 hour's pay just for being called in.

Why do casual employees not get any pay for being available?


Supply and demand
Do plumbers get paid for being available

Lawyers do. Have you heard of "retainers"? No, obviously not.

Why the fkk should anyone be expected to structure their entire lives around the possibility of being called into work, for FREE? If they're expected to be available, they should be paid for that. 10% of the hourly rate would be fair. That could be paid for with an adjustment to the casual loading. It would stop flagrant abuses like someone being expected to be available 24/7 without compensation. Yes, those jobs do exist.

What would fix the problem though is bringing back real full employment. Make workers harder to get and companies would value them more.
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Reply #7 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:42am
 
Bam wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am:
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
Minimum conditions of employment do not legally allow anything less than a 3 hour shift.
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Reply #8 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:45am
 
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:42am:
Bam wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am:
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
Minimum conditions of employment do not legally allow anything less than a 3 hour shift.


Some Modern Awards allow a minimum 2 hour shift.

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Reply #9 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:51am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:45am:
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:42am:
Bam wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am:
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
Minimum conditions of employment do not legally allow anything less than a 3 hour shift.


Some Modern Awards allow a minimum 2 hour shift.

Which awards? Just one will do.
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Reply #10 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:54am
 
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:45am:
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:42am:
Bam wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am:
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
Minimum conditions of employment do not legally allow anything less than a 3 hour shift.


Some Modern Awards allow a minimum 2 hour shift.

Which awards? Just one will do.


Banking, Finance, and Insurance Award 2010.

http://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000019#P217_15385

Clause 11.3

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Reply #11 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:00am
 
thats a sh!t award. Still not 1 hour though.
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Reply #12 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:02am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:54am:
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:45am:
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 9:42am:
Bam wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 8:58am:
rhino wrote on Feb 26th, 2020 at 10:47pm:
Well thats BS. Minimum casual adult rate is around $22 an hour as far as I am aware. 3 hours would be $66 not $50. And 1 hour shifts dont exist so thats BS too.


Someone has forgotten to tell you that PAYE income tax exists. $50 after tax is plausible. If so, they may get a refund at tax time.

As for the 1-hour shifts not existing, you're making that up. It is true that the ABS sets 1 hour as the threshold for "employment". Whether 1-hour shifts actually exist is irrelevant.
Minimum conditions of employment do not legally allow anything less than a 3 hour shift.


Some Modern Awards allow a minimum 2 hour shift.

Which awards? Just one will do.


Banking, Finance, and Insurance Award 2010.

http://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000019#P217_15385

Clause 11.3



There are also Modern Awards that have no minimum.

e.g. Aged Care Award 2010.

http://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000018#P243_20305

Clause 10.4

(a) A casual employee is an employee engaged as such on an hourly basis,other than as a part-time,full-time or fixed term employee,to work up to and including 38 ordinary hours per week.

(b) A casual employee will be paid per hour worked at the rate of 1/38th of the weekly rate appropriate to the employee’s classification. In addition,a loading of 25% of that rate will be paid instead of the paid leave entitlements accrued by full-time employees.


There were 34 Modern Awards just like this, which had no minimum shift length for casuals.

In 2017 there was a recommendation to have them all include a minimum 2 hour shift for casuals, but that obviously hasn't been done yet.

So yes, 1 hour shifts are still legally permitted for some casuals under the Modern Award system.
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Reply #13 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:07am
 
Greggy would not work in an iron lung!!!!!!

Greggy are you Aboriginal ?
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Reply #14 - Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:10am
 
rhino wrote on Feb 27th, 2020 at 10:00am:
thats a sh!t award. Still not 1 hour though.


Commercial Sales Award 2010 - 2 hour minimum.

http://awardviewer.fwo.gov.au/award/show/MA000083#P230_20316

Cotton Ginning Award 2020 - 2 hour minimum.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/documents/modern_awards/award/ma000024/default....

Aged Care Award - no minimum (effectively allowing 1 hour shifts).

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