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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #15 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:36pm They had that in Pompeii . You can see the original bread and other foods in shops with street food-counters. The poor Roman people rented rooms high up ( more dangerous in building fails) and didn't seem to have kitchens. or bathrooms . or fresh air.
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Reply #16 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:39pm

chimera wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:36pm:

They had that in Pompeii . You can see the original bread and other foods in shops with street food-counters. The poor Roman people rented rooms high up ( more dangerous in building fails) and didn't seem to have kitchens. or bathrooms . or fresh air.

Not just in Pompeii, that was the lot of your plebs and tradesmen in the empire.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 13182 Armidale Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #17 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:46pm As a kid I collected milk from a horse-drawn milk-seller and bread delivered to the gate. A grocer truck came to the house.
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Reply #18 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:49pm

It's been on the cards for a while, the demise of the small shop owner.
My friend had a shoe shop, at one stage she was doing well, then other shoe shops opened in the area, and her sales were notably starting to diminish, then more shops opened, so she thought, to open another one, and it was a beautiful shop, with bridal stuff, shoes, etc.
And her prices were way cheaper than the price of those same brand name shoes closer to Melbourne and in Melbourne.

Sadly, she closed the 2nd shop after a year, then eventually, the original one she had, started going downhill and was costing her, with wages and overheads.
Her shop owner halved her rent to keep her there, but it just seemed too many shoe shops destroyed each other.

I recall years ago, with hairdressers, that there was a rule that a business could not open within 8 kms of each other.

A good rule, but that should apply to other shops too, instead of a glut of the same shops all concentrated in one area.
No one makes anything that way.

Is it any wonder many went downhill and shut shop.

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Reply #19 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:51pm

chimera wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:46pm:

As a kid I collected milk from a horse-drawn milk-seller and bread delivered to the gate. A grocer truck came to the house.

Funny that, I was just talking about it the other day, how I remember the horse drawn cart early in the morning to deliver milk to the doorstep.
We used to live in Northcote at the time.

Clip clop, clip clop, horse stops, tinkle tinkle tinkle, milk bottles getting put on doorstop.

Who would believe I lived in an era of that happening at the time!
Amazing.

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Reply #20 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:55pm

chimera wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:46pm:

As a kid I collected milk from a horse-drawn milk-seller and bread delivered to the gate. A grocer truck came to the house.

Many local kids worked, ironically, for our local milkman when we were kids called Ernie and his draught horse. This was in the west(Perth).
I have no idea if he was the fastest.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16895 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #21 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:59pm My grandfather was a milkman as a young man and his family owned a dairy in Strathfield.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21053 Gordon Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #22 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:59pm Jezus you guys are old. I can barely remember milk bottle deliveries.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21053 Gordon Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #23 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:00pm Setanta wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:59pm: My grandfather was a milkman as a young man and his family owned a dairy in Strathfield. LOL, Strathfield is Korea now.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16895 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #24 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:01pm Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:59pm: Jezus you guys are old. I can barely remember milk bottle deliveries. Homebush road.
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Reply #25 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:03pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 7:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 7:45pm:

The rents are too expensive.

i was told that a small coffee/ice cream cart in Pacific Fair (largest shopping centre in qld) was quoted $2000 a week to put his cart outside. How many icecreams or coffee's does one need to sell to pay just the rent .. it's ridiculous.

My daughter and I go to that shopping centre a lot. It's fantastic there, and always busy.
Especially that Asian grocer with all the amazing fruit and veges with such good prices.

But hellsbells, $2000 per week Shocked

We went to The Glen shopping centre on Tuesday, only because we took back a recalled car (takata airbag issue) so thought would go to The Glen, and....it was practically empty!!!
I felt like I was in a scene from Omega Man.....

So we went and had Chinese in the food court.

Looked at some sparkly nice moccasins on special for $130, thinking, I bet I can find them cheaper online.

And that is how the average bargain shopper must think now.
I do like shops, but it's usually impulse buying, so I resist it now, and if I want something, I buy it online.

I do feel sorry, people, in shops, sitting or standing all day behind the counter etc waiting for sales, every day, every week.
What a miserable existence.

Then we went to Vic Roads to return the rego plate, it was packed, and I thought, well, this is where all the people are, not at the shops!

A few Asians wearing masks, no seats anywhere, many standing up, and I saw a seat next to an Asian lass, wearing a black mask, and thought, well, if no one is taking that seat, I will!!

I think, with all the rising cost of bills, such as insurance hikes, rates hikes, registration hikes, food hikes, this is why people are holding back, just to budget to pay for bills and keep their heads above water.

I heard Big W is closing down. It's a shame really. Always liked Big W.

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Sophia Gold Member Offline Posts: 8906	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #26 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:07pm Setanta wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:01pm: Gordon wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:59pm: Jezus you guys are old. I can barely remember milk bottle deliveries. Homebush road. That's how I remember it too! I might keep this photo to show my adult kids! Oh, what happened to the photo????
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Reply #27 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:09pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:07pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 7:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 7:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 7:45pm:

The rents are too expensive.

i was told that a small coffee/ice cream cart in Pacific Fair (largest shopping centre in qld) was quoted $2000 a week to put his cart outside. How many icecreams or coffee's does one need to sell to pay just the rent .. it's ridiculous.

There's a Kebab shop in Lismore that has to sell 1000@week to pay his rent/utilities. He works with his Asian wife and about all they make is a living. That the renters think they can keep rents what they were in the past into the future will kill both the rentees and the renters.

I had an applicant once who had two news agencies in one shopping center .... (Robina town center). He said trade was great, he had very good turnover. But one Friday he locked the doors and walked away from both shops. When i asked him why his response was that if he had a few good weeks, the rent went up .... if the following few weeks were crap, the rent NEVER came down. Centre management had access to his cash register receipts so they knew exactly what his tirnover was. After a few years of this he felt he was working for free. In the end his casual staff working 2 or 3 days were making more money than him so he walked away .. leaving all the stock and equipment behind.

I spoke to him a few months later when i saw him in another shopping center car park. This time he had one of those car wash /detailing businesses that sit outside shopping centers. Rent was fixed because people pay for car washes with cash mostly, and there was no way the center could track how many cars he washed and for how much. He said turnover was one tenth of his old business, but he went home with a lot more money. And he was working only half the hours of the old business.

I once tried to negotiate rent for a shop space that had been empty for two years. He wanted far to much. I offered about 70% of his asking price but he wouldn't budge. Said he would rather leave it empty. It sat empty like that for another year after which he put it up for sale.

How does the shopping centre track what he takes and pays? How do they justify that? There's a Chinese shop in Lismore Square that only does cash, no eftpos.

As part of his lease, he has to povide cash register receipts. I'd previously heard of other centers that do it too.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16895 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: The grim demise of Australian Retail ! Reply #28 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:10pm Gordy, I have so cool old photos from old Sydney. here is my mum, the blondie at the front with her dad's Willy's car. Damn. Too big. Lemme resize.
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Reply #29 - Feb 14^th, 2020 at 9:13pm

chimera wrote on Feb 14^th, 2020 at 8:20pm:

Letting the management have his receipts and then walking out leaving his stock suggests a lack of business sense.

News agencies are notoriously long hours. You (or staff) have to go in at 3 or 4 in the morning to prepare your papers for delivery, and deliver them so that people have their papers at the front door when they're having their breakfast. Then you stay open until 5 or 9pm, depending on the day of the week. 7 days a week. He felt that he was working for nothing. According to what he told me months later, He was much happier after he'd left

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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