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The High Court overreaches
Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:48pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-11/high-court-rules-aboriginal-people-cant-b...

The High Court ruled that Indigenous People (even if they're not Australian citizens) cannot be deported as they are tied to the land culturally and historically.

Notwithstanding whether or not you agree with this principle, the real question is: "on what legal basis can the High Court make this ruling?" In my view, nothing.

This is an example of where the High Court is over-reaching, and I fear that this is the first step in our Court becoming highly politicised like it is in the United States. The Court made a decision, which in my view, was designed to make a political statement.

The High Court should've ruled that this decision is not for the Court but for Parliament to decide.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #1 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:52pm Wonder what Dutto reckons ?
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #2 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:54pm juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:52pm: Wonder what Dutto reckons ? Doesn't matter what he thinks. If the High Court rules on something, it's final. THE CONSTITUTION IS WHAT THE HIGH COURT SAYS IT IS.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 87360 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #3 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:55pm Ah - there it is - I started a kick on this on in Apartheid... I'll scrub it..
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #4 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:56pm Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:55pm: Ah - there it is - I started a kick on this on in Apartheid... I'll scrub it.. I saw that. I've asked FD to delete the Thread and merge it with mine. Sorry Grap, my thread deals with the REAL issue.
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Reply #5 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm

Well - let's be real for a moment - I'm 'tied to the land historically and culturally' - and I can't be deported since I am a citizen..

What this is saying is that Aborigines anywhere with any citizenship are somehow citizens of Australia.

As I said - that's like saying I'm a citizen of Germany, Ireland, Scotland et al, since my antecedents came from there.

This is nonsense and cannot stand...

Apartheid??

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 110776 Melbourne Gender:	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #6 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm They don't look like Abbos to me.
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Re: The High Court overreaches
Reply #7 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:59pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:56pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:55pm:

Ah - there it is - I started a kick on this on in Apartheid... I'll scrub it..

I saw that. I've asked FD to delete the Thread and merge it with mine.

Sorry Grap, my thread deals with the REAL issue.

Not at all - like discussion of the Coronavirus issue in China, it's merely a different slant on it..

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #8 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm Hardly a real issue - just Greeny rubbish really trying to prime up the aboriginies. Are there still Lefty Plants in the High Court put there by Gillard ?
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Reply #9 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Well - let's be real for a moment - I'm 'tied to the land historically and culturally' - and I can't be deported since I am a citizen..

What this is saying is that Aborigines anywhere with any citizenship are somehow citizens of Australia.

As I said - that's like saying I'm a citizen of Germany, Ireland, Scotland et al, since my antecedents came from there.

This is nonsense and cannot stand...

Apartheid??

The more important question is, Grap:

What do you think about the fact that the High Court made that decision? Why didn't the Court decide to let Parliament make that decision?

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Reply #10 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

They don't look like Abbos to me.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11955150-3x2-700x467.jpg

Did you see that spokesman for that organisation? White as the driven snow, eye colour and all... he said 'we' and 'our' etc..

Test of Aboriginality needed?

P.S. to be fair it said his mother was Abo... maybe a quadroon or something..

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #11 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:01pm juliar wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm: Hardly a real issue - just Greeny rubbish really trying to prime up the aboriginies. Are there still Lefty Plants in the High Court put there by Gillard ? There's an easy fix to that. Just pack the court.
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: The High Court overreaches Reply #12 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:04pm Next thing Dutto will put a challenge into the obviously Greeny influenced High Court. The High Court is not above all and can be challenged.
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Reply #13 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:04pm

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Well - let's be real for a moment - I'm 'tied to the land historically and culturally' - and I can't be deported since I am a citizen..

What this is saying is that Aborigines anywhere with any citizenship are somehow citizens of Australia.

As I said - that's like saying I'm a citizen of Germany, Ireland, Scotland et al, since my antecedents came from there.

This is nonsense and cannot stand...

Apartheid??

The more important question is, Grap:

What do you think about the fact that the High Court made that decision? Why didn't the Court decide to let Parliament make that decision?

Now that is a question.... my personal view is that the court would have to say the opposite to what it actually said - a citizen is a citizen or not - no half measures.. it's simply black and white...

I recall the same argument I discussed with my lawyer once about a deceased Digger who had an Asian wife... married legit and all.. and whether or not she c ould inherit given something like only six month's tenure in the 'job'.

I said - "Easy - when is a wife not a wife?"

Well - when is a citizen not a citizen - when he is not a citizen.

There endeth the lesson.

Now watch the fun and games in Cambra - Fart of The Nation.

P.S. does he have a legitimate Aboriginal Passport, to go with his Aboriginal driving licence and car rego etc? (none - don' need one, Bro - this our lan' and we mek the rules, eh? Watchu mean I godda git in dat van, copper? You chargin' me fo' drahve without licence an' rego? What I do wrong 'ere?

"Being Aboriginal in a public place, smart-arse.. now get in that van!"

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Reply #14 - Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:12pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:04pm:

Auggie wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 7:00pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller wrote on Feb 11^th, 2020 at 6:58pm:

Well - let's be real for a moment - I'm 'tied to the land historically and culturally' - and I can't be deported since I am a citizen..

What this is saying is that Aborigines anywhere with any citizenship are somehow citizens of Australia.

As I said - that's like saying I'm a citizen of Germany, Ireland, Scotland et al, since my antecedents came from there.

This is nonsense and cannot stand...

Apartheid??

The more important question is, Grap:

What do you think about the fact that the High Court made that decision? Why didn't the Court decide to let Parliament make that decision?

Now that is a question.... my personal view is that the court would have to say the opposite to what it actually said - a citizen is a citizen or not - no half measures.. it's simply black and white...

I recall the same argument I discussed with my lawyer once about a deceased Digger who had an Asian wife... married legit and all.. and whether or not she c ould inherit given something like only six month's tenure in the 'job'.

I said - "Easy - when is a wife not a wife?"

Well - when is a citizen not a citizen - when he is not a citizen.

There endeth the lesson.

Now watch the fun and games in Cambra - Fart of The Nation.

P.S. does he have a legitimate Aboriginal Passport, to go with his Aboriginal driving licence and car rego etc? (none - don' need one, Bro - this our lan' and we mek the rules, eh? Watchu mean I godda git in dat van, copper? You chargin' me fo' drahve without licence an' rego? What I do wrong 'ere?

"Being Aboriginal in a public place, smart-arse.. now get in that van!"

Why should the High Court determine who is and who isn't a citizen? That is for Parliament to decide.

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