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John_Taverner Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2178 Gender:	"I'm not relying on evidence" Feb 5^th, 2020 at 11:41am https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-australia-51369140/climate-change-australian-t... John Molan......What a dinosaur !
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: "I'm not relying on evidence" Reply #1 - Feb 5^th, 2020 at 11:48am John_Taverner wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 11:41am: John Molan......What a dinosaur ! What is the evidence John? I agree humans have caused some climate change - land use change etc. But is it measurable?
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Re: "I'm not relying on evidence"
Reply #2 - Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:06pm

The audience obviously seemed to think there was plenty of evidence that he was a dinosaur.

There are 67 billion reasons to lie about climate change. That's the value of coal exports.

That doesn't make it ethical.

I think you fully understand the science, but continue to plug away with the usual nonsense, but I may be overestimating your intellgence.

You could be just a non-technical person who hasn't actually studied any of this (let's face it) high school science.

Or, you're confused about the facts, but have a strong opinion regardless. What do you call someone who has a strong opinion about something even though they don't have any grasp of the facts?

So I'm specifically not calling you mendacious or unethical. I'm specifically not calling you feeble minded or hypocritical, because I'm really not sure which category you fall into.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, but if I don't answer you within 6 months it's because life is too short and I'm too busy having fun.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16422 Gender:	Re: "I'm not relying on evidence" Reply #3 - Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:16pm John_Taverner wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:06pm: The audience obviously seemed to think there was plenty of evidence that he was a dinosaur. It seems it was a hand picked audience.
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Reply #4 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 6:59am

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:06pm:

The audience obviously seemed to think there was plenty of evidence that he was a dinosaur.

It seems it was a hand picked audience. Wink

touché..................................... Cool

As for you dear Johnny,

Labor ran with the climate change policy pretty hard in the last election.

and LOST..................... Cheesy

What does that tell you...?

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Reply #5 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 9:55am

It tells me that with the lack of Independent journalism in Australia, such attempts are futile. Public opinion is dominated by the media.

The UK don't have huge coal reserves, and they are actually taking positive steps against carbon emissions. They also have a Conservative government.

What does that tell you?

When the demand for Australian coal dries up (as it will), will you then change your mind, or will the media change your mind for you?

There should be bipartisan support in Australia for a transition to a carbon neutral economy.

I have voted Liberal all my adult life because of other factors. Even if the ALP said they were going to bring in a carbon reduction scheme, I wouldn't trust them. Their track record is not exactly glowing.

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Reply #6 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 10:07am

lee wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 5^th, 2020 at 5:06pm:

The audience obviously seemed to think there was plenty of evidence that he was a dinosaur.

It seems it was a hand picked audience. Wink

Mostly bushfire victims actually. The tide is turning. It already drowned Tony Abbott. The other dinosaurs will follow.

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Reply #7 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 10:58am

Ajax wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 6:59am:

Labor ran with the climate change policy pretty hard in the last election.

and LOST..................... Cheesy

What does that tell you...?

Actually both parties ran with a climate change policy at the last election.

Labor also ran with a raft of other policies

- dividend imputation
- negative gearing
- capital gains tax
- budget repair levy reintroduction
- reversal of Coalition tax cuts in 2022 & 2024
- superannuation concessions

So to try and claim that the 2019 election was a referendum on climate change is drawing a VERY long bow Grin

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Reply #8 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 1:23pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

Labor also ran with a raft of other policies

- dividend imputation
- negative gearing
- capital gains tax
- budget repair levy reintroduction
- reversal of Coalition tax cuts in 2022 & 2024
- superannuation concessions

And they lost only because of those policies? Nothing to do with climate policy? Grin

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 40619 Gender:	Re: "I'm not relying on evidence" Reply #9 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 1:29pm I don't think it's 'human-induced' either.
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Mattyfisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 92344 Gender:	Re: "I'm not relying on evidence" Reply #10 - Feb 8^th, 2020 at 4:33pm Frank wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 1:29pm: I don't think it's 'human-induced' either. That's true, but you studied at the prestigious University of Balogney, now didn't you, dear?
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Reply #11 - Feb 9^th, 2020 at 8:29am

The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 10:58am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 6:59am:

Labor ran with the climate change policy pretty hard in the last election.

and LOST..................... Cheesy

What does that tell you...?

Actually both parties ran with a climate change policy at the last election.

Labor also ran with a raft of other policies

- dividend imputation
- negative gearing
- capital gains tax
- budget repair levy reintroduction
- reversal of Coalition tax cuts in 2022 & 2024
- superannuation concessions

So to try and claim that the 2019 election was a referendum on climate change is drawing a VERY long bow Grin

Yeah sure I'm not saying they only ran with AGW mitigation.

But from memory they did bank on it being the one thing that would get them over the line with all these brainwashed millennials coming of voting age.

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Re: "I'm not relying on evidence"
Reply #12 - Feb 9^th, 2020 at 8:36am

John_Taverner wrote on Feb 8^th, 2020 at 9:55am:

It tells me that with the lack of Independent journalism in Australia, such attempts are futile. Public opinion is dominated by the media.

The UK don't have huge coal reserves, and they are actually taking positive steps against carbon emissions. They also have a Conservative government.

What does that tell you?

When the demand for Australian coal dries up (as it will), will you then change your mind, or will the media change your mind for you?

There should be bipartisan support in Australia for a transition to a carbon neutral economy.

I have voted Liberal all my adult life because of other factors. Even if the ALP said they were going to bring in a carbon reduction scheme, I wouldn't trust them. Their track record is not exactly glowing.

The mainstream media is very heavily skewed in pushing the CO2 doomsday scenario have you heard the way they tell us the weather these days its more like a phenomenon than a daily occurrence.

It would be nice to see the media present the scientist that are on the other side of the fence when it comes to AGW.

So the people can hear both sides of the story.

Oh that's right I forgot

IT IS FORBIDDEN TO DISCUSS THE SCIENCE OF AGW.

Now why would that be, if it was sound and true the sceptics would be shot down EVERY TIME.

Well if you dislike coal so much stop using anything that has to do with it...... Grin

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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