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Reply #255 - May 8th, 2020 at 11:42am
 
More evidence:

https://gnews.org/192144/


The most plausible explanation: the Wuhan coronavirus is a bioweapon made using ZC45/ZXC21 as a template.


RaTG13 – the Undeniable Evidence That the Wuhan Coronavirus Is Man-Made


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In fact, the Wuhan coronavirus may “look” natural even if it is a bioweapon because it is most likely made by using a natural coronavirus as a template. This would lead to a conclusion that the RaTG13 is non-natural, which is consistent with the facts we have brought up earlier: no physical copies of the virus exist and the sequence is highly likely fabricated.

How could Zhengli Shi fail so badly in fabricating the RaTG13 sequence? When I said it was easy to type out a fake sequence that is 96% identical to a template, I did not say that it is easy to maintain a reasonable synonymous/non-synonymous ratio throughout the whole genome. Unfortunately for Shi, when she had to come up a good sequence for S1 and the RBD within it (she knows that this part will be scrutinized the most), she

had somehow exhausted the number of non-synonymous mutations she could use here. To maintain a reasonable synonymous/non-synonymous ratio for the whole Spike- encoding gene (we can actually give her some credit here as she did remember to get it close to 5:1), she had to strictly limit the number of non-synonymous mutations in the S2 half of spike, which ended up flattening the red curve. It is hard to be a cheater after all.

A deeper reason that Shi and the CCP needs the cover of RaTG13

Hopefully you are now as convinced as I am in that the RaTG13 sequence is indeed a fabrication. The first thing we should do then is to discredit any scientific publication, which based its analysis on the RaTG13 sequence and subsequently arrived at the conclusion that the Wuhan coronavirus is of natural origin. When you do a clean-up like that, you will see that there is practically nothing left.
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Reply #256 - May 8th, 2020 at 11:42am
 
Jump to 10 minutes:

https://lbry.tv/@FreedomFighter:a/Plandemic-Part-1---Dr.-Judy-Mikovits:4


Dr. Judy Mikovits confirms that Coronavirus is man made.
The evolution of the virus would have taken naturally 800
years from SARS Cov1  to SARS Cov2.
It took only 10 years.

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Reply #257 - May 8th, 2020 at 3:37pm
 
Not a peer reviewed scientific paper Booby.

The virus is natural.
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Reply #258 - May 8th, 2020 at 5:17pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 3:37pm:
Not a peer reviewed scientific paper Booby.

The virus is natural.


There is genomic evidence but that's by scientists and it's not sexy so the conspiracy theories, especially when they're pushed by members of the Trump camp will always be more enticing to the lower IQ fam.
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Reply #259 - May 8th, 2020 at 5:50pm
 
Oh yes.
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Reply #260 - May 9th, 2020 at 8:53am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 5:17pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on May 8th, 2020 at 3:37pm:
Not a peer reviewed scientific paper Booby.

The virus is natural.


There is genomic evidence but that's by scientists and it's not sexy so the conspiracy theories, especially when they're pushed by members of the Trump camp will always be more enticing to the lower IQ fam.




Dear Mr Sad,
We still need an enquiry as per ScoMo's wishes.
Tell me - do you think China will allow full unfettered inspections of its bio labs?
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Reply #261 - May 9th, 2020 at 9:02am
 
I don't know what China will do, but they should allow access.

But given that no such investigation has been done how are you and those like you drawing conclusions about the labs and the virus?

One theory has proven scientific evidence, the other doesn't.

Choose wisely.
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Reply #262 - May 9th, 2020 at 9:04am
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 9:02am:
I don't know what China will do, but they should allow access.

But given that no such investigation has been done how are you and those like you drawing conclusions about the labs and the virus?

One theory has proven scientific evidence, the other doesn't.

Choose wisely.




ScoMo is right - there needs to be an enquiry.
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Reply #263 - May 9th, 2020 at 10:25am
 
Maybe there should be two enquiries—the wet market and the lab.

Since any evidence there may have been has been removed by now what is an enquiry going to find? (This assumes the virus was manufactured.)

The wet market might be a better place to look at.
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Reply #264 - May 9th, 2020 at 10:37am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 10:25am:
Maybe there should be two enquiries—the wet market and the lab.

Since any evidence there may have been has been removed by now what is an enquiry going to find? (This assumes the virus was manufactured.)

The wet market might be a better place to look at.



The Chinese scientists at those labs plus their families need to be removed
to a safe location in a neutral country so they can be questioned.
Obviously they wouldn't tell the truth if they were in China -
they and their families would be murdered.
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Reply #265 - May 9th, 2020 at 11:05am
 
Oh don’t be so silly.
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Reply #266 - May 9th, 2020 at 12:02pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on May 9th, 2020 at 11:05am:
Oh don’t be so silly.



Hi Comrade,
so you think the Chinese Govt. is a fair player?


They're communists.
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Reply #267 - Jul 22nd, 2020 at 10:00pm
 
Writing for the Bulletin of The Atomic Scientists in February 2019, Lynn Klotz concluded that human error was behind most laboratory incidents causing exposures to pathogens in US high security laboratories. While equipment failure was also a factor, of the 749 incidents reported to the US Federal Select Agent Programme between 2009-2015, Klotz concluded that 79% resulted from human error.


https://www.independentsciencenews.org/health/the-case-is-building-that-covid-19...

An investigation is needed, but who will do it?


If the Shi lab has anything to hide, it is not only the Chinese Government that will be reluctant to see an impartial investigation proceed. Much of the work was funded by the US taxpayer, channeled there by Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance. Virtually every credible international organisation that might in principle carry out such an investigation, the WHO, the US CDC, the FAO, the US NIH, including the Gates Foundation, is either an advisor to, or a partner of, the EcoHealth Alliance. If the Sars-CoV-2 outbreak originated from the bat coronavirus work at the WIV then just about every major institution in the global public health community is implicated.

But to solve many of these questions does not necessarily require an expensive investigation. It would probably be enough to inspect the lab notebooks of WIV researchers. All research scientists keep detailed notes, for intellectual property and other reasons, but especially in BSL-4 labs. As Yuan Zhiming told Nature magazine in an article marking the opening of the facility in Wuhan: “We tell them [staff] the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done.”

Meticulous lab records plus staff health records and incident reports of accidents and near-accidents are all essential components (or should be) of BSL work. Their main purpose is to enable the tracking of actual incidents. Much speculation could be ended with the public release of that information. But the WIV has not provided it.

This is puzzling since the Chinese government has a very strong incentive to produce those records. Complete transparency would potentially dispel the gales of blame coming its way; especially on the question of whether Sars-CoV-2 has an engineered or passaged origin. If Zheng-Li Shi and Peter Daszak are correct that nothing similar to Sars-CoV-2 was being studied there, then those notebooks should definitively exonerate the lab from having knowingly made an Actual Pandemic Pathogen.

Given the simplicity and utility of this step this lack of transparency suggests that there is something to hide. If so, it must be important. But then the question is: What?

A thorough investigation of the WIV and its bat coronavirus research is an important first step. But the true questions are not the specific mishaps and dissemblings of Drs Shi or Daszak, nor of the WIV, nor even of the Chinese government.

Rather, the bigger question concerns the current philosophy of pandemic prediction and prevention. Deep enquiries should be made about the overarching wisdom of plucking and counting viruses from the wild and then performing dangerous ‘what if’ recombinant research in high tech but fallible biosafety labs. This is a reductionistic approach, we also note, that has so far failed to predict or protect us from pandemics and may never do so.
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Reply #268 - Aug 13th, 2020 at 8:25pm
 
I suspected it in February and now here is the proof:

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/asia/2020/08/11/breaking-chinese-virol...


BREAKING: Chinese Virologist Claims Coronavirus Derived From ‘Zhoushan Bat Virus’…Implicates Fauci In Coverup For China
by CD Media StaffAugust 11, 202010 22289      


A Chinese virologist has alleged the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) developed the Chinese coronavirus in a lab and is an ‘engineered chimera’ with ‘gain of function’ capabilities…in other words, a bioweapon developed by the CCP that was released upon the world. She alleges Dr. Anthony Fauci and the World Health Organization (WHO) are involved in a massive coverup for the Chicoms.

A Chinese virologist and whistleblower on Wednesday (Aug. 5) claimed the Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) is a chimera based on the “Zhoushan bat virus” and chastised the World Health Organization (WHO) for lying about the virus and operating according to mutual “benefits” rather than in the interest of world health, reported Taiwan News.

Yan then claimed that she and her team have produced a scientific report that shows the origin of COVID-19 is the “PLA-owned Zhoushan bat coronavirus.” She plans to release the report in the near future, and accuses the WHO of “covering up numerous lies for the CCP.”


The virologist said Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) scientist Shi Zhengli, also known as “Bat Woman,” deliberately posted a paper on Feb. 3 to draw attention to a coronavirus strain identified as RaTG13, which is a strain she and her team discovered in bats in Yunnan in 2013 and that is 96 percent identical to SARS-CoV-2. Yan claims this was an orchestrated attempt to throw investigators off the Zhoushan bat virus strains, while Shi herself claims the fact that RaTG13 is 4 percent different from SARS-CoV-2 exonerates her lab from being the source of the outbreak.

Speaking of gain-of-function research, Yan alleged that White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci knows “more than me how they approved those gain-of-function research findings to (fund) these Chinese labs under the CCP’s control,” possibly in reference to a Newsweek report alleging Fauci’s organization funded gain-of-function research on bat coronavirus at the WIV.

You can read more here at Taiwan News.


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Reply #269 - Aug 14th, 2020 at 11:21am
 
Not an unbiased source Bobby. Try harder.
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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