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Reply #915 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:37am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:31am:
Okay Bobby... you claim that the Chinese developed the SARS-CoV-2 virus
specifically as a biological weapon.

At any rate, this absurd claim is now three years old, and has been effectively
debunked numerous times by numerous reports.

The original story:  https://lokalno-mk.translate.goog/izraelski-shpion-tvrdi-koronavirusot-e-izlezen...

A followup report:  https://www-washingtonpost-com.translate.goog/world/2020/01/29/experts-debunk-fr...

And another followup report:  https://vistinomer-mk.translate.goog/teorii-na-zagovor-za-korona-virusot-kako-bi...

So Bobby, it's now time to put your money where your mouth is mate.

What empirical evidence do you have for claiming that the virus was
developed as a bio-weapon
?    Please provide links with citations to
accredited sources such as peer-reviewed papers or other definitive
sources such as university research sites.

—If you can, that is.      Wink





While the Chinese refused to allow a proper WHO investigation
and deleted vital evidence it may never be known for sure.
The Yanks also deleted evidence about their involvement via Fauci.

You only delete evidence and prevent an inquiry if you have something to hide.   Wink
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Reply #916 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:47am
 
There is no such evidence.

The Chinese will never allow an independent enquiry in China, does not imply guilt of wrongdoing.
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Reply #917 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:55am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 1st, 2023 at 9:47am:
There is no such evidence.

The Chinese will never allow an independent enquiry in China, does not imply guilt of wrongdoing.



The Chinese will never allow an independent inquiry in China because they're guilty.
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Reply #918 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 10:29am
 
No. It is a question of “face.”

Letting an inquiry happen implies they stuffed up or did something wrong.
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Reply #919 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 4:32pm
 
Bobby was right all along:


https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/28/politics/wray-fbi-covid-origins-lab-china/ind...



FBI Director Wray acknowledges bureau assessment that Covid-19
likely resulted from lab incident


By Hannah Rabinowitz, CNN

Updated 11:44 PM EST, Tue February 28, 2023

FBI Director Christopher Wray on Tuesday acknowledged
that the bureau believes the Covid-19 pandemic was likely
the result of a lab accident in Wuhan, China.


In his first public comments on the FBI’s investigation into the virus’ origins during an interview with Fox News, Wray said that “the FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan.”
Wray said that most details of the FBI’s investigation remain classified, and that it has been difficult to work with the Chinese government on investigating the pandemic’s origin.
“I will just make the observation that the Chinese government, it seems to me, has been doing its best to try to thwart and obfuscate the work here,” the bureau director said. “The work that our US government and close foreign partners are doing. And that’s unfortunate for everybody.”
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Reply #920 - Mar 1st, 2023 at 5:13pm
 
The Bureau believes. . .that is not evidence of anything except what the FBI wants to believe.

You have no idea of evidence, do you? High school dropout!
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Reply #921 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 5:50am
 
Hi Monk,
"Wray said that most details of the FBI’s investigation remain classified."

So - we'll never know exactly what happened.
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Reply #922 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:15am
 
Well, classified or not I doubt it was the lab.
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Reply #923 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:24am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:15am:
Well, classified or not I doubt it was the lab.



The Chinese make their own rules .

The Yanks make their own rules.

the truth is that the US Govt. via Fauci supplied the money and the technology
for China to do gain of function experiments on Coronaviruses.
They had noble reasons for doing it.
When it all went wrong and the virus escaped and killed 7 million people
that we know about and maybe another 20 million that we don't and did
between $40 trillion and $100 trillion of economic damage to the world -

both China and the USA covered the facts up - they ran for cover.


It's just like when JFK was murdered in 1963 -
there are still around 2,000 FBI and CIA files on it that are classified -
even 60 years later we are still denied the truth.


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Reply #924 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:43am
 
We do not know that. Most likely it is the wet market caused the covid19 outbreak. The scientific info points that way.

Especially China does not want to lose “face” so will alway block investigations by non-chinese parties—it is not a sign of guilt.
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Reply #925 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 7:10am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Mar 2nd, 2023 at 6:43am:
We do not know that. Most likely it is the wet market caused the covid19 outbreak. The scientific info points that way.

Especially China does not want to lose “face” so will alway block investigations by non-chinese parties—it is not a sign of guilt.



Are you a communist?
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Reply #926 - Mar 2nd, 2023 at 7:24am
 
Stay on topic, troll!
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Reply #927 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 9:15pm
 


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Reply #928 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 9:40pm
 
So—WHO started the last one, idiot?
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Reply #929 - Mar 9th, 2023 at 10:00pm
 
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Wray’s public endorsement of the lab leak theory runs counter to the conclusions of several prominent scientific studies, as well as the assessments of some other US intelligence agencies. Wray did not explain the evidence that had informed the FBI’s conclusion. “There’s not a whole lot of details I can share that aren’t classified,” he said.

The Central Intelligence Agency and another prominent US federal agency still
remain undecided
about the origins of Covid-19, while the National Intelligence Council and four other agencies have concluded that the virus originated in animals, the Wall Street Journal reported this week.

A security official moves journalists away from the Wuhan Institute of Virology
How seriously should we take the US DoE’s Covid lab leak theory?

The energy department also concluded in a classified intelligence report that Covid-19 most likely resulted from a laboratory leak, but made this assessment with “low confidence”, while the FBI reached the same conclusion in 2021 with “moderate confidence”, the Wall Street Journal reported.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/28/fbi-director-endorses-china-lab-leak-covid-theory


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FBI Director Wray acknowledges bureau assessment that Covid-19
likely resulted from lab incident


Bobby's post above fails to note that many more disagree than agree and even the FBI rate their outcome with “moderate confidence”.

The scientist mainly say that they still think it a natural spread because of the virus's makeup and the way that it works. It is different from what a Lab designed virus should look like. They also say that they are open to look at any evidence that suggests different.

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“While I believe the ‘lab leak’ theory a real possibility, I should point out that the [energy department’s] assessment has ‘low confidence’ in that assessment and their assessment did not change the minds of any of the other agencies,” Dr Filippa Lentzos, a reader in science and international security at King’s College London, previously told the Guardian.

Some scientists who have studied the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic have pushed back against the endorsement of the lab leak theory by US agencies. Scientists have also noted that, unlike peer-reviewed scientific studies, the US intelligence assessments being debated do not provide public transparency about how they reached their conclusions or the evidence they accumulated.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/feb/28/fbi-director-endorses-china-lab-...


Looks like the report was like a case of eeny meeny miny Moe and nobody has much faith in the outcome.

Most believe that a lab leak is possible but nobody really knows.

The major thing pointing to the lab is the coincidence that there is a lab right there. The thing that points away from the lab is the scientific knowledge of the make up of the virus.

The truth is unknown but either possible.

If it was a lab produced virus the Chinese would have had access to the full virus from the beginning and from there should have easily developed a vaccine. As the Chinese never developed an effective vaccine points to them not having the virus samples.
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