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Reply #1830 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:34am

https://oversight.house.gov/release/final-report-covid-select-concludes-2-year-i...

Published: Dec 2, 2024

FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation,
Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward

The full, 520-page final report can be found here. A summary of the information can be found below:

The Origins of the Coronavirus Pandemic, Including but Not Limited to the Federal Government’s Funding of Gain-of-Function Research

COVID-19 ORIGIN: COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China.
The FIVE strongest arguments in favor of the “lab leak” theory include:

(1) The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature.

(2) Data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events.

(3) Wuhan is home to China’s foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research at inadequate biosafety levels.

(4) Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researchers were sick with a COVID-like virus in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market.

(5) By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1831 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:38am Actually, there were two distinct variants of the virus, pointing against the lab source.
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Reply #1832 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:38am:

Actually, there were two distinct variants of the virus, pointing against the lab source.

Monk,
I knew straight away back in 2020 that it was from the lab - a bio weapon -
because the Covid 19 virus attacked
every organ in the body including the brain.

The common cold doesn't do that -
it attacks only the nasal passages, throat and lungs.
It was obviously enhanced by evil scientists - gain of function experiments.

I am capable of critical thinking but most people aren't -
it's from my 6 years of tertiary education.

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Reply #1833 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:56am

You have shown no critical thinking in this thread or your MRB, typical of high school dropouts such as yourself.

A prime example is you posting the note published with the US HoR report into covid. You just posted wtte “This supports what I believe” and left it at that. I looked at the actual report and spotted a major mistake. Where was your “critical thinking” there?

You only mention “your” critical thinking because Sad Kangaroo posted that you hadn’t shown any in this thread.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 110998 Melbourne Gender:	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1834 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:59am Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 7:56am: You have shown no critical thinking in this thread or your MRB, typical of high school dropouts such as yourself. Listen dopey, tell me another common cold virus that attacks every organ in the body including the brain? Tell me or shut up.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1835 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:01am At the start of the epidemic when you had your self proclaimed “insight” not much was known about covid at all.
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Reply #1836 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:13am

Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:01am:

At the start of the epidemic when you had your self proclaimed “insight”
not much was known about covid at all.

At the start of the epidemic we had horrifying reports out of Italy -
100s of young, healthy doctors and nurses died from Covid-19
after they were treating patients in hospital even though they
had the maximum protection available masks and other protections
such as plastic suits to cover their bodies.

However - it seems that the bio engineered virus was unstable -
by the time it got out across the world it had mutated into
a far less deadly version.
Use a bit of critical thinking again -
whatever they added to the Corona virus was so unnatural that
it wasn't easily replicated - so it quickly changed into something less lethal.
That is all that saved us from an apocalypse where perhaps most
people in the world would have died from it.
I thought it was the End Times but we got through it -
by good luck rather than good management.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1837 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:18am Viruses that kill their hosts have trouble spreading. Viruses mutate—hence need a new flu shot each year. Try thinking critically for once. Maybe read up on viruses generally to begin? Wiki is bound to have an article.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 49044 Gender:	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1838 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:19am Booby raved: Quote: whatever they added to the Corona virus You have not proved anything was added artificially.
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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #1839 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:21am

But you along with Scoot and others denied any of that as being true at the time. There was always an excuse and it was never COVID.

It was just the sniffles, and the lockdowns were an overreaction, or they died "with" COVID from "from" COVID. You were wrong then because of what you chose to believe blinded you to what was real.

You do it with everything, from Trump to Dutton, you let your beliefs determine what you consider to be evidence, not the other way around.

Are you sure you're not doing that again?

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Reply #1840 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:30am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:21am:

But you along with Scoot and others denied any of that as being true at the time. There was always an excuse and it was never COVID.

It was just the sniffles, and the lockdowns were an overreaction, or they died "with" COVID from "from" COVID. You were wrong then because of what you chose to believe blinded you to what was real.

You do it with everything, from Trump to Dutton, you let your beliefs determine what you consider to be evidence, not the other way around.

Are you sure you're not doing that again?

I'm sure I'm right.

I want to see those who caused all this punished.
There needs to be a Nuremberg 2 type trial
where the charges would be "crimes against humanity" -
those responsible for financing or supplying technology
or making a bio weapon that killed 7 million people,
made over 1 billion people ill
and caused over $40 trillion of economic damage to the world.

I want to see justice at the end of a rope.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #1841 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 9:40am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:30am:

I'm sure I'm right.

I want to see those who caused all this punished.
There needs to be a Nuremberg 2 type trial
where the charges would be "crimes against humanity" -
those responsible for financing or supplying technology
or making a bio weapon that killed 7 million people,
made over 1 billion people ill
and caused over $40 trillion of economic damage to the world.

I want to see justice at the end of a rope.

Ah.

So, putting aside the discussion about whether or not it's a bioweapon, can we at least get you and Sir Nail to now agree that a virus that has caused (and is still causing) this much death and illness is much, much worse than vaccines that have allegedy caused 100,000 deaths in Australia? (they haven't, by the way).

I feel we are finally making some progress here.

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Re: China's covert biological weapons program
Reply #1842 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 9:57am

Carl D wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 9:40am:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 8:30am:

I'm sure I'm right.

I want to see those who caused all this punished.
There needs to be a Nuremberg 2 type trial
where the charges would be "crimes against humanity" -
those responsible for financing or supplying technology
or making a bio weapon that killed 7 million people,
made over 1 billion people ill
and caused over $40 trillion of economic damage to the world.

I want to see justice at the end of a rope.

Ah.

So, putting aside the discussion about whether or not it's a bioweapon, can we at least get you and Sir Nail to now agree that a virus that has caused (and is still causing) this much death and illness is much, much worse than vaccines that have allegedy caused 100,000 deaths in Australia? (they haven't, by the way).

I feel we are finally making some progress here.

The jury is still out about the vaccines.
I had Covid twice and it was very mild - a slight temp for one day each time
that would go back to normal after 2 Panadols within one hour.
Is that because I had 3 jabs of AstraZeneca?
I'll never know for sure.

100,000 deaths in Australia from the vaccines?
Maybe but if the Covid mutated to a very mild version then
the vaxes may not have been needed.
In any case normal vaccines get tested for 10 years before
they are used on the general population -
those ones we took had about only 6 weeks of testing -
that's very risky.

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ProudKangaroo Moderator Offline The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 19815 Meeanjin (Brisbane)	Re: China's covert biological weapons program Reply #1843 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 10:49am This is the thing Bobby, you're holding two vastly conflicting positions on the subject. That discomfort those competing ideas create, that's cognitive dissonance. Learn to recognise it.
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Reply #1844 - Apr 25^th, 2025 at 4:29pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Apr 25^th, 2025 at 10:49am:

This is the thing Bobby, you're holding two vastly conflicting positions on the subject.

That discomfort those competing ideas create, that's cognitive dissonance. Learn to recognise it.

But less than 100,00 people died from Covid in Australia. Roll Eyes

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