Australian Politics Forum - The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike

Yadda

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 22605
A cat with a view

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #30 - Jan 12^th, 2020 at 10:51pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 10:29pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 12:55pm:

It is pretty much universally agreed that it put the US in more danger, not such a good reason.

Dnarever,

Oh ???

Put the US in danger, from whom Dnarever ???

Oh yeah, its the followers of ISLAM, who from their mothers knee have been swearing to Allah, to hate and to fight and to kill every person who rejects ISLAM.

Those persons.

Mass murderer, and author of Iran's state terror Qasem Soleimani,
...was taken out by Pres. Donald J Trump.

Meanwhile in the UK.....

WWW search....

UK: Imam tells Muslims that “we aspire to be like” Soleimani

Back to top

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

IP Logged

rhino

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 17179
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #31 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain.

I said so from the beginning.

He did it for three main reasons:

1. take the heat off impeachment

2. enhance his re-election prospects

3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist

Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally.

the end result is the same. The Irani regime gets a taste of reality and the world is rid of a prime A grade scumbag. Whats not to like.?

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 37169
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #32 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 6:15am

rhino wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain.

I said so from the beginning.

He did it for three main reasons:

1. take the heat off impeachment

2. enhance his re-election prospects

3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist

Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally.

the end result is the same. The Irani regime gets a taste of reality and the world is rid of a prime A grade scumbag. Whats not to like.?

Gregory has pointed out that Donald only does things which benefit him personally

This I would contend is true of all human beings

I'm not trying to hide behind some sham of benevolence for the other
Trump is able to ramp up his authenticity whilst doing so

It's a mistake to pretend to the electorate that you are better than you actually are
I think this is one of the most emotionally intelligent things that trump does

He does not pretend to be anything other then what he is
That's called authentic and it is extremely rare in the political realm

Your average American.
Your average real American is probably always sizing people up

You get the members of the lefty intellectual elite
Who try to present this facade that their life is all about protecting a lifting up the oppressed
Hollywood is a classic example

The most privileged the richest people scalding middle America

The ivy League leftist intellectuals are another classic example
The most privileged richest people in America scalding middle America

Middle America just won't buy it
Real Americans can see the untenable position of the lefty intellectual elite
They see that trump speak to them in plain spoken language
He is very careful to always present himself as a flawed individua l
And the fact that he acts out of self-interest
He just owns that

They can respect that
They will certainly respect that enough to give him another 4 years

Back to top

IP Logged

FD Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 100150	Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Reply #33 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 7:44am It's a mistake to pretend that you're better than you are? Oh, dear...
Back to top	IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 37169
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #34 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:23am

FD wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 7:44am:

It's a mistake to pretend that you're better than you are?

Oh, dear...

I stand by that statement

Politicians of the emotional persuasion of say Gregory or yourself or Skippy
Present to the world a persona of the perfect man
Americans are pretty cynical
They ain't buying that BS

Particularly when they detect the seething resentful bitter hateful vibration
That lurks beneath this facade

Trump does the exact opposite
He's a goofy guy
He talks at the level of a grade 4 student
He deliberately messes things up
Because he understands that this is what humans are like
He never pretended he was a saint
He likes to hang out with KFC
He admits he likes the women
He likes his gold toilet
He's always teasing provoking

He doesn't scald the American people
He just likes to tell stories that entertain the American people
In this way he enriches their lives

How does Elizabeth Warren or Joe biden plan to add value to the lives of real Americans
By being boring chodes
Appearing on TV or Twitter and boring them to death
By being nice guys

Americans don't want nice guys for friends
And they certainly don't want them for leaders

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 148846
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #35 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:29am

rhino wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain.

I said so from the beginning.

He did it for three main reasons:

1. take the heat off impeachment

2. enhance his re-election prospects

3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist

Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally.

the end result is the same. The Irani regime gets a taste of reality and the world is rid of a prime A grade scumbag. Whats not to like.?

No. Trump is still alive.

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 37169
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #36 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:39am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

rhino wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain.

I said so from the beginning.

He did it for three main reasons:

1. take the heat off impeachment

2. enhance his re-election prospects

3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist

Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally.

the end result is the same. The Irani regime gets a taste of reality and the world is rid of a prime A grade scumbag. Whats not to like.?

No. Trump is still alive.

A perfect example for you Carmel

The virtuous nice gentleman persona presented to the world by the perfect nice gentleman and very virtuous Gregory

And yet easily detectable is the bitter resentment and hatred bubbling just below the surface
Wishing the president of the United States where dead

This is the dilemma that the left face
Their inability to man up and own up to the fact that it is hatred that is driving them
They aren't fooling real America

Real America cease and is frothing at the mouth
Or pelosi frothing at the mouth
Or Warren frothing at the mouth

And they just aren't going to buy this nice guy narrative

All I see is what we see when we look at Gregory
A lack of emotional mastery
And unfocused discontent
It's very unattractive Wink

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:46am by aquascoot »

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 148846
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #37 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:44am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:39am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:29am:

rhino wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11^th, 2020 at 10:36am:

Of course he murdered the General for his own political gain.

I said so from the beginning.

He did it for three main reasons:

1. take the heat off impeachment

2. enhance his re-election prospects

3. leave a legacy as a President who fought a war, rather than be remembered as a failed businessman, coward, and alleged child rapist

Donald Trump only ever does things that will benefit him personally.

the end result is the same. The Irani regime gets a taste of reality and the world is rid of a prime A grade scumbag. Whats not to like.?

No. Trump is still alive.

A perfect example for you Carmel

The virtuous nice gentleman persona presented to the world by the perfect nice gentleman and very virtuous Gregory

And yet easily detectable is the bitter resentment and hatred bubbling just below the surface
Wishing the president of the United States where dead

Nothing to do with hatred.

If Trump didn't exist, the world would be a much better place.

Fact.

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

FD

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 100150

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #38 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:46am

aquascoot wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

FD wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 7:44am:

It's a mistake to pretend that you're better than you are?

Oh, dear...

I stand by that statement

Politicians of the emotional persuasion of say Gregory or yourself or Skippy
Present to the world a persona of the perfect man
Americans are pretty cynical
They ain't buying that BS

Particularly when they detect the seething resentful bitter hateful vibration
That lurks beneath this facade

Trump does the exact opposite
He's a goofy guy
He talks at the level of a grade 4 student
He deliberately messes things up
Because he understands that this is what humans are like
He never pretended he was a saint
He likes to hang out with KFC
He admits he likes the women
He likes his gold toilet
He's always teasing provoking

He doesn't scald the American people
He just likes to tell stories that entertain the American people
In this way he enriches their lives

How does Elizabeth Warren or Joe biden plan to add value to the lives of real Americans
By being boring chodes
Appearing on TV or Twitter and boring them to death
By being nice guys

Americans don't want nice guys for friends
And they certainly don't want them for leaders

Mr Trump's based his entire brand on being the best, dear. Gold toilets, biggest private yacht, fake Renoirs, the lot. He only ran for Prez to add more cache to the brand.

He promised the world: a big beautiful wall - not a fence - that he'd get Mexico to pay for. If there's one thing Mr Trump knows, it's how to build things and get others to pay.

Repeal and replace Obamacare - only Mr Trump could do this because he knows how to work with Republicans, believe me.

Fix the mess in North Korea - created by Obama, of course, because he couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. Mr Trump knows how East Asian communist dictators work. Only he can save America from certain nuclear annihilation.

Create jobs for all Americans. The unemployment figures are rigged. Mr Trump will create jobs just by being in the White House. In fact, his daughter Ivanka just created 17 million jobs (a little more than all US jobs created in the past three years, but you get the idea).

Mr Trump will be too busy making America great again to play golf, you'll see. World leaders will treat the White House with respect again. We'll win so much we'll get tired of winning.

Highest ever ratings in TV history, biggest-selling book, a landslide erection victory, biggest inauguration crowd ever, etc, etc, etc.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 37169
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #39 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:06am

No you have it wrong again Carmel

When trump addresses the crowd he's basically just being an off the cuff bullshitartist
And people recognise this

When Warren or pelosi or biden address the crowd
They are very earnest and sincere
If you ask them where they just mucking around and telling tall stories they would be horrified
Because they aren't
They are elucidating and ideological position

Trump doesn't have an ideological position
That's what makes him so damned attractive
He just talks crap and people love it

I saw him commenting on the current crisis with the duchess of Sussex
He said he had met the queen and she was a lovely lady and he had met the duchess and she was also lovely and he was sure they would work it out

He's talking about the Queen of England
In the same way someone would talk about two toddlers in a sandpit having a squabble
That's just so folksy
It's also subtly incredibly dominant
It sets him up as the ruler of planet earth
When you can talk about the Queen of England and set her up in a frame where she is envisioned by the population as a naughty toddler
It sets you up as the extreme dominator

Trump does this all the time
He creates frames where the status of his opponents is demolished
And he assumes value
Even value which she probably does not deserve
But that only makes him twice as dominant
Because when you act like the king
And you are totally congruent with that belief
Everyone else falls into your frame
It's the secret of his success

No one understands how the unthinking masses are so easily sucked into a frame
As trump does

Back to top

IP Logged

ProudKangaroo

Gold Member

Offline

The Sandstorm is coming
🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵

Posts: 21408
Meeanjin (Brisbane)

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #40 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:42am

FD wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 9:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:23am:

FD wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 7:44am:

It's a mistake to pretend that you're better than you are?

Oh, dear...

I stand by that statement

Politicians of the emotional persuasion of say Gregory or yourself or Skippy
Present to the world a persona of the perfect man
Americans are pretty cynical
They ain't buying that BS

Particularly when they detect the seething resentful bitter hateful vibration
That lurks beneath this facade

Trump does the exact opposite
He's a goofy guy
He talks at the level of a grade 4 student
He deliberately messes things up
Because he understands that this is what humans are like
He never pretended he was a saint
He likes to hang out with KFC
He admits he likes the women
He likes his gold toilet
He's always teasing provoking

He doesn't scald the American people
He just likes to tell stories that entertain the American people
In this way he enriches their lives

How does Elizabeth Warren or Joe biden plan to add value to the lives of real Americans
By being boring chodes
Appearing on TV or Twitter and boring them to death
By being nice guys

Americans don't want nice guys for friends
And they certainly don't want them for leaders

Mr Trump's based his entire brand on being the best, dear. Gold toilets, biggest private yacht, fake Renoirs, the lot. He only ran for Prez to add more cache to the brand.

He promised the world: a big beautiful wall - not a fence - that he'd get Mexico to pay for. If there's one thing Mr Trump knows, it's how to build things and get others to pay.

Bugger me I totally forgot about that...

Quote:

Repeal and replace Obamacare - only Mr Trump could do this because he knows how to work with Republicans, believe me.

Fix the mess in North Korea - created by Obama, of course, because he couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. Mr Trump knows how East Asian communist dictators work. Only he can save America from certain nuclear annihilation.

Create jobs for all Americans. The unemployment figures are rigged. Mr Trump will create jobs just by being in the White House. In fact, his daughter Ivanka just created 17 million jobs (a little more than all US jobs created in the past three years, but you get the idea).

Mr Trump will be too busy making America great again to play golf, you'll see. World leaders will treat the White House with respect again. We'll win so much we'll get tired of winning.

Highest ever ratings in TV history, biggest-selling book, a landslide erection victory, biggest inauguration crowd ever, etc, etc, etc.

Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

I really think he continues to get support because people see this incompetent, unhealthy, stupid failure of a man who can't tell the truth and I think it gives them hope that without changing anything about themselves, they can become a billionaire.

But, and this is where Trump rhetoric comes in, this hasn't happened, not because of them or anything they've done, but because of immigrants or the woke left wanting equality for everyone, not an advantage for them.

The more Scoot tries to justify his ever-changing standards on Trump, the more the above starts to stand out.

aquascoot wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:06am:

Trump doesn't have an ideological position

Have you stopped to ask why?

Everyone has an ideological position. Be it based on their personal morality or because their parents passed it down to them.

Trump does have an ideological position, it's just not the traditional left or right, liberal or conservative, it's simply, "Trump winning".

He doesn't have to actually win, he just has to say he's winning. And he'll do whatever it takes to keep it that way.

This is how he's run his businesses and how he crafts his persona/presidency.

When he can't fake he's winning, he lies about his opponents "losing", or being low IQ, ugly, blah blah blah take your pick.

This is what is at the core of the man and it should terrify his supporters.

Back to top

IP Logged

greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 148846 Gender:	Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike Reply #41 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:46am aquascoot wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:06am: Trump doesn't have an ideological position That's what makes him so damned attractive He just talks crap and people love it He's not as attractive as Hillary though. People love Clinton more. Or should I say, more people love Clinton. 3,000,000 more.
Back to top	GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 148846
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #42 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:49am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:42am:

I really think he continues to get support because people see this incompetent, unhealthy, stupid failure of a man who can't tell the truth and I think it gives them hope that without changing anything about themselves, they can become a billionaire.

You've nailed it right there.

That's what I believe too.

(Not that he's actually a billionaire, by the way - that lie has also been exposed).

Back to top

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles

IP Logged

FD

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 100150

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #43 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:17pm

I say, Aquascoot, how do we go from -

Quote:

It's a mistake to pretend to the electorate that you are better than you actually are

to

Quote:

When trump addresses the crowd he's basically just being an off the cuff bullshitartist

?

It's not just the crowd though, is it?

To the Mexican president: Look, just say that you'll pay for it, we'll sort out the details, don't worry about it.

To the Great Leader of the Democratic Republic of North Korea: Just say you're thinking about stopping the nukes. We'll wait and see, okay?

To the Ukrainian president: ...but I have a small favour to ask. This Crowdstrike thing, some say it's based in the Ukraine... Speak to Rudy... announce an investigation into Sleepy Joe... look, there was no quid-pro-quo... fake news... a witch hunt... an act of treason... so unfair...

Could we say he's an all-round bullshitartist, do you think?

Can we tweak your statement from it being a mistake to pretend to the electorate (and world leaders, the US congress, the senate, the courts, and pretty much everybody else) to being a sign of GREATNESS?

Back to top

IP Logged

aquascoot

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 37169
Gender: male

Re: The Real Reason Trump Ordered Strike
Reply #44 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:34pm

FD wrote on Jan 13^th, 2020 at 1:17pm:

I say, Aquascoot, how do we go from -

Quote:

It's a mistake to pretend to the electorate that you are better than you actually are

to

Quote:

When trump addresses the crowd he's basically just being an off the cuff bullshitartist

?

It's not just the crowd though, is it?

To the Mexican president: Look, just say that you'll pay for it, we'll sort out the details, don't worry about it.

To the Great Leader of the Democratic Republic of North Korea: Just say you're thinking about stopping the nukes. We'll wait and see, okay?

To the Ukrainian president: ...but I have a small favour to ask. This Crowdstrike thing, some say it's based in the Ukraine... Speak to Rudy... announce an investigation into Sleepy Joe... look, there was no quid-pro-quo... fake news... a witch hunt... an act of treason... so unfair...

Could we say he's an all-round bullshitartist, do you think?

Can we tweak your statement from it being a mistake to pretend to the electorate (and world leaders, the US congress, the senate, the courts, and pretty much everybody else) to being a sign of GREATNESS?

policies, polcies, logical arguements, yawn yawn.

they dont matter.

people vote their temperament
they vote their emotional state.

you dont convince people by presenting the facts
you dont persuade people by presenting policies.

you look deep into their eyes, understand them at their core and reflect back to them their underlying personal psychology.

trump is an excellent psychologist.

trumps awesome entertaining, emotion spiking routine is part of "the doctor is the drug".

so awesome
a paradigm shift.

study it for 4 years.

but beware karnal.
this is just the beginning.

trump is a bit of an odd guy and a bit undisplined.

but he is trailblazing for the next conservative leader who will "study him for 4 years" and then combine a much shrewder intellect with the raw lessons of the donald.

that will be a formidable foe that the intellectual elite of the left will have no counter to.

in a way, putin is trump mark 2.

strong, noble, patriotic, confident, competant.

against the weak sauce , hand wringing snowflakery of leftie identity politics, the next president may be more putin like.

and that should see an end to the leftie universities and corrupted leftie school system Wink

Back to top

IP Logged