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Reply #60 - Jan 12^th, 2020 at 3:19pm

juliar wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Monster fires: another gift from the greens
Viv Forbes 22 January 2019 4:37 PM

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Whoosh! Up she goes! A poisonous gift from the disgusting Greenies

Carbon dioxide must be an almighty gas – it gets blamed for almost every human disaster.

Now we have the alarmist Climate Council blaming bushfires on carbon dioxide and global warming. Focussing on the wrong problem is doing more harm than good. It is disappointing to see respected firefighters like Greg Mullins now blaming “climate change” for more and worse bushfires, and now even promoting the misguided Climate Council.

We have heat waves, dry spells and bushfires in Australia every year – bushfires were burning all up the coast when Captain Cook sailed by in 1770. But today we know what causes dangerous fires. It needs deliberate political mismanagement to create disastrous wild-fires which destroy everything – houses, sheds, fences, wildlife and mature trees.

A good wet season can result in nature building up a dangerously large fuel load. In the past, this was usually removed safely by many small fires lit by lightning strikes, Aboriginals, graziers or foresters. Today massive fuels loads are too often allowed to accumulate for more than one season in forests, reserves, parks and around suburbs. Then one match or spark on a windy day can produce massive fires.

Today’s stupid green policies that discourage and prohibit burning-off, encourage the accumulation of bushfire fuel and exclude grazing animals from large areas of parks and reserves are making uncontrollable wildfires more common.

Heat does not cause catastrophic fires. Once sparked, naturally or maliciously, two things are needed to create killer blazes – high winds and excessive flammable fuel. We cannot stop the wind, but we can manage the bush so as to minimise the build-up of bushfire fuels. Not only is this effective in reducing the bushfire threat — the benefit is immediate. There is no need to wait another 25 years for the “solutions” posed by the climatists to “fix” the climate (stop raising cattle, using coal, cars or whatever).

Blaming the bushfire problem on climate change is offering a weak excuse for government authorities bowing to green extremists. They have failed to meet their obligation to reduce bushfire fuel loads and make life safer for communities and for our firefighters in the name of the Great God Gaia.

As for more and bigger water bombers, we need only to look to the 2018 Californian bushfires, where great fleets of mighty water bombers were unable to control their wildfires. Water bombers may look good on television but they cannot stop wildfires burning in heavy fuel and driven by high winds.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/01/monster-fires-another-gift-from-the-greens/

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Re: Now Australia's PM suggests a Royal Commission
Reply #61 - Jan 12^th, 2020 at 3:35pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 3:19pm:

juliar wrote on Jan 12^th, 2020 at 3:06pm:

Monster fires: another gift from the greens
Viv Forbes 22 January 2019 4:37 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/FRDYYtvx/a-1.jpg
Whoosh! Up she goes! A poisonous gift from the disgusting Greenies

Carbon dioxide must be an almighty gas – it gets blamed for almost every human disaster.

Now we have the alarmist Climate Council blaming bushfires on carbon dioxide and global warming. Focussing on the wrong problem is doing more harm than good. It is disappointing to see respected firefighters like Greg Mullins now blaming “climate change” for more and worse bushfires, and now even promoting the misguided Climate Council.

We have heat waves, dry spells and bushfires in Australia every year – bushfires were burning all up the coast when Captain Cook sailed by in 1770. But today we know what causes dangerous fires. It needs deliberate political mismanagement to create disastrous wild-fires which destroy everything – houses, sheds, fences, wildlife and mature trees.

A good wet season can result in nature building up a dangerously large fuel load. In the past, this was usually removed safely by many small fires lit by lightning strikes, Aboriginals, graziers or foresters. Today massive fuels loads are too often allowed to accumulate for more than one season in forests, reserves, parks and around suburbs. Then one match or spark on a windy day can produce massive fires.

Today’s stupid green policies that discourage and prohibit burning-off, encourage the accumulation of bushfire fuel and exclude grazing animals from large areas of parks and reserves are making uncontrollable wildfires more common.

Heat does not cause catastrophic fires. Once sparked, naturally or maliciously, two things are needed to create killer blazes – high winds and excessive flammable fuel. We cannot stop the wind, but we can manage the bush so as to minimise the build-up of bushfire fuels. Not only is this effective in reducing the bushfire threat — the benefit is immediate. There is no need to wait another 25 years for the “solutions” posed by the climatists to “fix” the climate (stop raising cattle, using coal, cars or whatever).

Blaming the bushfire problem on climate change is offering a weak excuse for government authorities bowing to green extremists. They have failed to meet their obligation to reduce bushfire fuel loads and make life safer for communities and for our firefighters in the name of the Great God Gaia.

As for more and bigger water bombers, we need only to look to the 2018 Californian bushfires, where great fleets of mighty water bombers were unable to control their wildfires. Water bombers may look good on television but they cannot stop wildfires burning in heavy fuel and driven by high winds.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2019/01/monster-fires-another-gift-from-the-greens/

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Re: Now Australia's PM suggests a Royal Commission
Reply #62 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 6:01am

If the RC is going to focus on the inept response to the fires by the Government and especially the Prime Minister I'm all in.

But if it's the same that's been investigated time and time again, with the findings ignored by a string of Liberal Governments then just save the money and put it towards relief efforts because the findings are only going to be ignored, again, otherwise.

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Reply #63 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:51am

Lets just examine the contrast between two parties in the 2019 election for bushfire specifically.

Labor's plan - from Shorten's website:

LABOR’S NATIONAL FIRE FIGHTING FLEET - SUNDAY, 17 MARCH 2019

17 March 2019

A Shorten Labor Government will boost Australia’s firefighting capabilities with a national fleet of aircraft and dedicated smokejumper units to keep Australians safe from bushfires.

All Australians understand the devastating impact that bushfires have. Lives are lost, homes destroyed and communities shattered.

Our firefighters and emergency services personnel are among the best in the world, and they do a tremendous job, often putting their own lives at risk. But they need more support from government.

At the moment, Australia doesn’t have a government-owned fleet of water bombing aircraft – making us reliant on borrowing from private companies domestically and from overseas.

The bushfire season in Australia is lengthening and already overlapping with the northern hemisphere, increasing the risk that we won’t be able to access the aircraft we need at times of peril.

At the same time, the Federal Government’s contribution to the National Aerial Firefighting Centre has plummeted from 50 per cent of funding to just 23 per cent, reducing our overall firefighting capability.

The Bureau of Meteorology has identified this summer as Australia’s hottest on record, which included devastating bushfires in Victoria and Tasmania. Now is the time to invest in giving our firefighters the resources they need to keep us all safe.

Labor’s national firefighting package will deliver:

$80 million to establish the National Aerial Bushfire Fighting Fleet of aircraft

This fleet will provide standing aerial firefighting capacity that can be used on demand in emergencies.

It will include retro-fitted Black Hawk helicopters as they are phased out from active use by the Australian Army and Erickson S-64 Air-crane helicopters (or ‘Elvis’ as they are commonly known) which has a 2,650 gallon tank capable of snorkelling or scooping fresh or salt water.

It’s expected that the national fleet will include a standing capability of up to six Large or Very Large Air Tankers, and up to 12 heavy rotary wing helicopters.

The benefits of aerial firefighting are clear. Aircrafts offer speed, access and observation advantages over ground crews. Containment is more effective and the final fire burned area minimised using aerial capability, thereby reducing demand on ground crews.

Australia’s first ‘smokejumper’ units

Smokejumpers are firefighters trained to be rapidly deployed by helicopters at remote fires during the short window during which those fires can be contained.

Smokejumpers usually rappel from helicopters and use chain-saws, hoes and other dry firefighting tools to establish a containment perimeter around the fire. They then patrol the perimeter to ensure the fire does not jump containment lines while working with water-bombing aircraft to ensure the contained fire is fully extinguished.

California and other US states currently have a number of smokejumper units which have proven successful.

As part of the $80 million commitment to establish a fleet, Labor will work with the states and territories to establish smokejumper units across the country.

$21 million for the National Aerial Firefighting Centre (NAFC)

A Shorten Labor Government will stop the Federal Government’s reduction in funding for our firefighting capabilities by returning to a 50-50 funding split between the states and territories and the Commonwealth.

Labor’s investment will ease the burden on state and territory governments, develop new national programs including a national risk management model, and national research and development programs including trials of new aircraft and night firefighting activities.

Labor can pay for new firefighting aircraft the smokejumper units because we are making multinationals pay their fair share and closing tax loopholes for the top end of town.

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Reply #64 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 8:53am

Liberal's Preparing Australia Package - for Bushfires.

http://www.federalfinancialrelations.gov.au/content/npa/environment/project-agreement/Preparing%20Australia%20Package.pdf

For NSW

Commenced implementation of the next generation National Fire Danger Rating System

Australia’s existing National Fire Danger Rating System (NFDRS) is based on 1960s science that no longer adequately services current needs. The NSW Rural Fire Service, on behalf of all jurisdictions and in partnership with the Bureau of Meteorology, is leading the phased development of a new NFDRS underpinned by an improved understanding of fire behaviour and its relationship with the landscape. This new NFDRSwill deliver nationally consistent fire danger indicators based on up-to-date scientific data and methodologies. The new system will draw on more data such as diverse vegetation types, national fuel load, weather conditions, and the latest developments in fire behaviour science. The next generation NFDRS will strengthen the ability of fire and emergency services to better understand, forecast and communicate fire weather, and its potential impact on the community at a more granularlevel. Phases 1 and 2 are completewith a working prototypedeveloped to demonstratethe viabilityand valueof the new system. This project (phase 3) is a 3-yearprogram that will implement thenext generation NFDRS nationally by operationalising the prototype and embedding it into the Bureau of Meteorology’s warning systems.The Commonwealth will fund 50% of the total cost of the program through the Preparing Australia Package, with the remaining 50% to be funded by the states and territories.

Expanded trial and establishment of a national project management office for Public Safety Mobile Broadband

Public safety agencies currently rely mostly on radio networks for voice communications. These systems are not able to accommodate the technology needed to deliver situational awareness, and evolving public safety capabilities. A federated, nationally interoperable Public Safety Mobile Broadband (PSMB) capability will improve how agencies deliver services through access to high-speed video, images andlocation tracking.Thisproject will support an expanded trial of PSMBand establish a national projectmanagement office in the NSW Telco Authority, which is driving the implementation of this important national capability. A proof of concept trial will be undertaken in 2019 to validate aPSMB service delivery model that meetsagreed national objectives and high level requirements. The trial, to be administered by theNSW Telco Authority on behalf of all jurisdictions, will be conducted in urban, regional and remoteareas. This project will expand the trial to additional locations, including crowded places such as airports. The project will also establish a time-limited national project management office (PMO) in the NSW Telco Authority with funding support for dedicated staffing and administrative expenses. The PMO will support the proof of concept trial and execute a national roadmap identifying key milestones, work streams and actions for the implementation of PSMB nationally.

For Victoria:

Extension and capital upgrades to Emergency Alert

Emergency Alert is Australia’s national telephony-based warning system. It was implemented as a national partnership between the Commonwealth and the states and territories following the 2009 Black Saturday bushfires and is a key national capability. Emergency Management Victoria administers Emergency Alert on behalf of all jurisdictions.Emergency Alert is nearing end-of-life contractually and technologically. Emergency Management Victoria (EMV) is leading the procurement of a replacement system; however, this will not be finalised before the expiry of the contracts for the current Emergency Alert system in June2019. This project will extend the contracts with telecommunication providers and implementnecessary capital upgrades to the system’s hardware to ensure the continued operation of Emergency Alert until June2020.

So basically, upgrade to existing SMS capacities, and mobile broadband alerts network. No new planes. There are also details of supporting flood and bushfire areas, through better economic management - e.g. surplus. The surplus was the big centre piece as well as tax cuts.

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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Now Australia's PM suggests a Royal Commission Reply #65 - Jan 13^th, 2020 at 10:49am T&R tries to sound intelligent by reciting the commandments according to Socialism.
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