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Re: Now Australia's PM suggests a Royal Commission
Reply #30 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:29am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:10am:
Oh no, Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo hops in and tries to sound intelligent by trotting out Greeny lies and propaganda. Hope she just hops away.

Now, after the horrible destruction that the Greenies have caused burning Australia to the ground, NOBODY would ever believe ANYTHING that oozed out of a Greeny.

Now these sick in the head arsonists - are they Lunatic Extremist Greenies ?

Yes ScoMo is correct - Australia does need an RC to flush out these pernicious Greeny pests.


None of what you say is in any way grounded in reality, not even a little.

Again, I offer you the change to prove otherwise, but it seems like, as usual, you're just attacking people who don't like your opinion, an opinion you cannot justify with facts.

But please, try.

If what you say is true there should be plenty of evidence to support the claims.
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Reply #31 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:36am
 
Oh No! Now I have got the two not very bright Greeny trolls following me around like lost puppies.

Their failed attempts at trying to excuse the heinous atrocities committed by their loathsome Greeny HEROES are just pathetic.
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Reply #32 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:38am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 8:36am:
Oh No! Now I have got the two not very bright Greeny trolls following me around like lost puppies.

Their failed attempts at trying to excuse the heinous atrocities committed by their loathsome Greeny HEROES are just pathetic.


So you don't have any facts to backup your claims then?
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Reply #33 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:03am
 
Skippy the not very bright Greeny Kangyroo is upset and attacking me. Should I be a cry baby and a sook and complain ?

The Greeny curse is affecting more than just Australia. These evil creatures are now regarded as noxious pests.

And then, captured by the Greenies Anal, had the hide and stupidity to talk about the ridiculous Climate Change SCAM on 2GB this morning. The 2GB listeners outrage suggests Labor will be in Opposition for a very long time.





The green agenda is exacerbating Australia's wildfire problem
JAMIE BLACKETT  4 JANUARY 2020 • 3:21PM

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In this Saturday, Dec. 21 ,2019, photo, NSW Rural Fire Service crews fight the Gospers Mountain Fire as it impacts a structure at Bilpin.
The unfolding tragedy in Australia is being interpreted as an apocalyptic portent of a “climate emergency” CREDIT:  DAN HIMBRECHTS

The unfolding tragedy in Australia is being interpreted as an apocalyptic portent of a “climate emergency”: justification for the drastic prescriptions of Extinction Rebellion to “close down the capitalist system”.

Heart-rending tweets from the fire zone convey the raw anger of farmers burnt out of their homes. But their interpretation is strikingly different. Far from begging everybody to embrace the green agenda, many are blaming the greens for exacerbating the fires by meddling in the time- honoured practice of burning off excess vegetation to mitigate wildfires.

All over the world farmers are being prevented by “experts” in government quangos from carrying out controlled burning to manage habitats prone to catching fire. Often the precautionary principle on climate is cited. Yet when Caithness’s Flow Country caught fire recently the fire brigade cited the lack of precautions in allowing moors to become overgrown.


And these wildfires massively increase carbon in the atmosphere because they set the underlying peat alight. While the Caithness fire was burning it was estimated that it doubled Scotland’s carbon emissions for the six days that it burned.

Upland land managers in England are currently in dispute with Defra over plans to restrict controlled burning on deep peat. It started with an RSPB challenge in the European courts based on highly questionable pre-2013 science, and EU habitat directives. This led to a voluntary code whereby farmers could only burn to strict criteria such as restoring habitat health. But a Natural England position paper in 2019 would effectively “nail it down so hard as effectively to stop it” according to the Moorland Association.


The science is hotly disputed but research has shown that so-called “cool burning”, the controlled burning of heather when conditions allow in winter, can – counter-intuitively – increase carbon sequestration by turning excess vegetation into charcoal and stimulating plant growth by regenerating sphagnum moss and moorland grasses that absorb more CO2.

Breeding bird surveys have consistently pointed to strong correlations between endangered wading bird numbers and moorland that has been burnt. The golden plover, in particular, prefers to nest on recently burnt patches; their eggs are even camouflaged accordingly. And speaker after speaker at the 2019 Wildfires Conference in Cardiff spoke of the need to reduce vegetation in vulnerable areas.

Civil servants have so far ignored this research and remain implacably opposed to heather burning, largely, it would seem, because it is a practice carried out to improve grouse moors. It is a classic example of faux science being used to trump empirical evidence from centuries of experience of shepherds and gamekeepers.

From the North Pennines to New South Wales the refrain is the same: we have had enough of experts; let farmers exercise their judgment and there will be more biodiversity, fewer wildfires and less greenhouse gas in consequence, for the benefit of us all.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/04/green-agenda-exacerbating-australias...
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Reply #34 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:12am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:03am:
[i]Skippy the not very bright Greeny Kangyroo is upset and attacking me. Should I be a cry baby and a sook and complain ?


Asking you for proof of your claims is not attacking.

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[b]The green agenda is exacerbating Australia's wildfire problem
JAMIE BLACKETT  4 JANUARY 2020 • 3:21PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/04/green-agenda-exacerbating-australias...


So your "proof" is farmers who believe the lies that were told by Barnaby and complained about it, in an article from the UK commenting on Australia to boost their own conservative agenda.

You've cited "twitter" as proof.  I've tried to see the tweets but the preview of the article doesn't show them, and I'm not paying for that trash.

Do you have the tweets they're referring to?
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Reply #35 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:19am
 
The hatred directed towards the evil Greenies is reaching the temperature of the bush files which the Greenies caused and burnt Australia to the ground.




Delingpole: Environmentalists Made Australia’s Bush Fires Worse
JAMES DELINGPOLE2 Jan 2020 9:27

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Firefighters create a back burn ahead of a fire front in the New South Wales town of Jerrawangala on January 1, 2020. - A major operation to reach thousands of people stranded in fire-ravaged seaside towns was under way in Australia on January 1 after deadly bushfires ripped through popular …PETER PARKS/AFP via Getty Images

Australia is on fire, at least 17 people have been killed, hundreds of homes have been destroyed, and an estimated half-billion animals — both livestock and wildlife — have been burned alive. The area burned in the bush fires so far is considerably bigger than the area burned either in last year’s Amazon rainforest fires or the fires in California.

As Paul Homewood pointed out last month, there has been no significant long-term decrease in rainfall or increase in temperatures in the affected regions.

Yes, it has been dry in New South Wales (where most of the worst fires are), but there have been several years, especially pre-1960, when it was drier:

First, let’s look at rainfall. All the data and graphs that follows are from the Australian BOM:

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As we can see, rainfall in NSW over the last three months is well below average, but no worse than several previous years on record.

The same applies to temperature. Yes, this has been a hot spring in New South Wales. But there have been times when it has been much hotter — making a nonsense of all stories in the Australian media about temperatures being the hottest evah:

Neither is the monthly average of 38.0C a record high. The three years from 1899 to 1901 all saw average December mean maximum temperatures well above 38.0C.


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Since the station moved to the airport in 1993, 38C has only been exceeded once until this year, that was in 2005, when it averaged 38.5C, still well below the December 1899 when the mean was 39.9C.

So, to be clear, there is zero evidence of any change in climatic conditions that might have increased the likelihood or severity of these bush fires. This is not — repeat NOT — a man-made climate change story, and anyone who claims otherwise is either a gullible idiot or a lying charlatan.

There is, nonetheless, good reason to believe that the stupidity and irresponsibility of man is at least partly to blame for this disaster — just not quite in the way that the left-liberal MSM and the green wankerati would have you believe.




Man-made culprit #1: all the firebugs who have been deliberately starting fires in New South Wales, Queensland, and elsewhere. You won’t be surprised that their involvement has had very little coverage in the left-liberal MSM.

Here’s a story from December headlined ‘Firebugs blamed for destructive Queensland fires’ — it notes:

Figures obtained by AAP reveal 98 people – 31 adults and 67 juveniles – have been dealt with by Queensland police for deliberately setting fires.

A 16-year-old boy was found to have started a fire that razed 14 homes in central Queensland and dealt with under the state’s Youth Justice Act.

Two more teens, 14 and 15, were charged with endangering property by fire over a blaze that destroyed two homes and forced hundreds to flee.

Man-made culprit #2: well-meaning idiots who don’t understand that unless you manage forested areas with controlled burns, you’re going to end up with out-of-control wildfires.

Jo Nova has a damning story about locals in East Gippsland in the state of Victoria who successfully stopped a planned controlled burn at Nowa Nowa. Two of them were pictured holding signs saying, “Spring burns kill baby birds alive” and “Stop burning nesting birds”.

One grandmother was quoted as saying, “I’m more worried about climate change, and the impact the burns are having. I’m worried for my grandchildren.”

ABC — the excruciatingly left-wing Australian Broadcasting Company, so woke it makes the BBC and CNN look like Fox News — reported on the protests with some enthusiasm last September but has since mysteriously decided to delete the story from Facebook.

If this is the kind of obstructive idiocy that the mainstream media and the junk-science climate alarmism industry have created with their global warming propaganda, then the mainstream media and the junk-science climate alarmism industry have blood on their hands.

This damning exposure of the Greenies continues overleaf
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Reply #36 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:19am
 
Man-made culprit #3: Greens

The people most to blame for the Australian bush fires are the greens. Just like in California, their tree-hugging Gaia worship blinded them to the reality that forests need regular clearance and maintenance if they are not to become a major fire hazard. Some Australian politicians on the right side of the argument are well aware of this:

“The problems we have got have been created by the Greens,” Mr [Barnaby] Joyce told The Australian.

“We haven’t had the capacity to easily access (hazard) reduction burns because of all of the paperwork that is part of green policy.

“We don’t have access to dams because they have been decommissioned on national parks because of green policy. We have trees that have fallen over vehicles and block roads, so people cannot either get access to fight a fire or to get away from fires. And we can’t knock over the trees because of Greens policy.

Deputy Prime Minister Michael McCormack has lashed the “disgraceful, disgusting” behaviour of “raving inner-city lunatics” for linking climate change to the ferocious bushfires burning across Queensland and NSW.

Yet still, in large parts of Australia, it remains illegal to remove trees from your land even in order to create fire breaks and protect your property — despite the obvious risk this ban creates to homeowners living in potential bush-fire zones. Trees have been designated a ‘carbon sink’, which supposedly offset Australia’s CO2 emissions.

This issue has long been known in Australia, as the story below shows:

Of course it easier for Greenies to blame 'Climate Change' than their own bureaucratic nonsense.
A volunteer firefighter was fined $100,000 & treated as criminal for creating a firebreak on his property.

Black Saturday survivor fined for culling trees backs hazard reduction
Liam Sheahan cleared trees and shrub within 100 metres of his home in the hills of central Victoria in 2002 to create a firebreak in case of a blaze. His was the only house to survive Black Saturday.

Liam Sheahan is an Australian fireman who in 2002 was fined $50,000 – and paid another $50,000 in costs – for illegally clearing the trees round his home in rural Victoria. In 2009 he was vindicated when his property was only one left standing after bushfires destroyed his town.

Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison is being attacked from the left for his failure to ‘act’ on climate change – as though, somehow, this would have done anything to prevent this year’s bushfires.

But if we’re going to blame ScoMo for anything, it should rather be his pusillanimity in the face of green bullying. Sheahan makes this point in an interview with the Daily Mail:

Prime Minister Scott Morrison and NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian have both refused to be drawn into the debate, saying now it is not the time for politics.

‘That’s what they always say’, claims Mr Sheahan, who believes it is the perfect time to discuss the policies on organised burns, before the consequences are once again forgotten.

The death toll in the 2009 Australian fires was much higher than this years’ (at least so far). Even back then, the problem was well recognised.

Here is a piece Miranda Devine wrote in the Sydney Morning Herald:

The Kinglake area was a nature-loving community of tree-changers, organic farmers and artists to the north of Melbourne. A council committed to reducing carbon emissions dominates the Nillumbik shire, a so-called “green wedge” area, where restrictions on removing vegetation around houses reportedly added to the dangers. In nearby St Andrews, where more than 20 people are believed to have died, surviving residents have spoken angrily of “greenies” who prevented them from cutting back trees near their property, including in one case, a tea tree that went “whoomp”. Dr Phil Cheney, the former head of the CSIRO’s bushfire research unit and one of the pioneers of prescribed burning, said yesterday if the fire-ravaged Victorian areas had been hazard-reduced, the flames would not have been as intense.

Read Devine’s whole piece. It will make you very angry as you realise just how preventable the current disaster was: preventable because the causes of these intense, out-of-control bush fires are so widely known.

Never let it be forgotten that the people most responsible for the disastrous and dangerous policy preventing Australian home-owners from clearing their own land are the shrill, bullying, anti-scientific, anti-human activists of the green movement. Every time these virtue-signalling prats appear on Twitter or TV whining about all the animals killed, they deserve a slap in the face with a burned koala; if any human deserves blame for this tragedy, it’s stupid greenies like themselves.

And let’s just repeat one more time: Australia’s bush fires have nothing whatsoever to do with climate change. There is no evidence at all to support this claim; it is clearly contradicted by the temperature and rainfall record. The people who claim otherwise, especially those trying to make political capital out of the disaster by twisting the facts to suit their narrative, are either offensively ignorant or nauseatingly unconscionable. In my next article — because why not? This is the year when I get Medieval on the greenies’ collective arse — I shall name a few names.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/01/02/greens-made-australia-bush-fires-w...
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Reply #37 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:27am
 
Skippy that not very bright Greeny Kangyroo's silly childish rubbish is not worth responding to. As usual she is trying to justify her insignificant self.

Who would respond to a repulsive Greeny ?   Nothing like having a Greeny troll following me round breathing hate. Then I am used to it.
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Reply #38 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:28am
 
SadKangaroo,

you're wasting your time trying to have a discussion with juliar, it's either a paid to post shill or a 'spambot' for the Liberal Party.

Anything that requires a response other than it's copy and paste Liberal Party propaganda or it's usual lame insults and it gets confused and panics. Looks like that's starting to happen already.

But, if you're just having fun trying to get it to have a 'meltdown' then by all means please continue...  Smiley
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Reply #39 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:39am
 
Carl D wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:28am:
SadKangaroo,

you're wasting your time trying to have a discussion with juliar, it's either a paid to post shill or a 'spambot' for the Liberal Party.

Anything that requires a response other than it's copy and paste Liberal Party propaganda or it's usual lame insults and it gets confused and panics. Looks like that's starting to happen already.

But, if you're just having fun trying to get it to have a 'meltdown' then by all means please continue...  Smiley


You're right, nobody acts like that, is so abusive and immune from reality without there being other factors in play.
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Reply #40 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:50am
 
Carl D does not have much success either as he dribbles uncontrollably vacillating between hate and absurdity.

Nobody with any self respect would respond to a Greeny after what these vicious creeps did to Australia burning it to the ground.
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Reply #41 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:59am
 
juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:50am:
Carl D does not have much success either as he dribbles uncontrollably vacillating between hate and absurdity.

Nobody with any self respect would respond to a Greeny after what these vicious creeps did to Australia burning it to the ground.


Nobody with any self-respect would trust your unfounded claims of the Greens or any of the lies you tell without offering a shred of proof.
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Reply #42 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:12am
 
We have already had RCs into bushfires

Why did politicians fail to follow recommendations from these past RCs?
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Reply #43 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:21am
 
Baron, because the previous RC's did not work and so our Great Leader will conduct a REAL RC laying the blame squarely at the smelly feet of the lunatic Extremist Greenies who caused the devastation by banning the clearing of undergrowth.

The Greenies are running for cover as the white hot searing hate of Australia is directed at them.
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Reply #44 - Jan 7th, 2020 at 10:22am
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:59am:
juliar wrote on Jan 7th, 2020 at 9:50am:
Carl D does not have much success either as he dribbles uncontrollably vacillating between hate and absurdity.

Nobody with any self respect would respond to a Greeny after what these vicious creeps did to Australia burning it to the ground.


Nobody with any self-respect would trust your unfounded claims of the Greens or any of the lies you tell without offering a shred of proof.

Recently I attended a local meeting of the Greens here in Nth Tasmania. ( No, I’n not a Green finding all ideology a form of tribal stupidity )The main topic of conversation was the withdrawal of Federal/State and local funding for burn backs. The traditional burn off practices of aborigines were also discussed as was the denial of requests for Federal funding for water bombing aircraft and other fire fighting infrastructure. The significantly reduced window of opportunity for safe burn-offs due to climate change was also discussed.
I suspect what we see in these criticisms of the Greens is an unjustified over-generalisation and the confusion between paid up members of the Green Party with new age fools who want to live ‘close to mother nature’ without any clear idea of the risks they are creating for themselves and others. Sadly I suspect we’ll now see a Federally funded effort to clear vast areas of bush resulting in less carbon sequestration and an acceleration of global warming. 
It’s about time ideology, left/right & green or whatever were put aside and we listened to what science is telling us. Problem is the mindless tribal idiocy that informs most inhabitants of this planet will probably win. I’m glad I'm old enough to soon be leaving planet Earth. However, when my young relatives ( a 4 year old recently) ask me ‘Why are the grown-ups’ trying to kill us all’ I have no answers.
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