Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires.

Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED.


WWW search....
Experts Estimate 480 Million Animals Killed in Australian Fires



We get bush-fires every summer.

Historically, we have had many, many catastrophic summer bush-fires.

And yes, this one will go down as probably the very worst.






No matter how hot the air is [in summer], a fire can not burn, if it has no fuel.

Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

AND THAT IS      WHY     FUEL REDUCTION BURNS IN THE OFF-SEASON, SHOULD BE MANDATORY, IN RURAL AUSTRALIA !



Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

That is why individual landholders are required by law, to ensure there are fire breaks around their property, before summer !

i.e.
SO THERE IS NO FUEL TO SPREAD A [POTENTIAL] FIRE, OVER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

NO FUEL TO BURN = = NO FIRE SPREAD.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:21am:



True.

But.....

Q.
Do persons with green sympathies have majorities on many eastern states councils ?


Q.
Do many eastern states councils [dominated by political LEFTISTS] prohibit and ban [on ideological grounds] fuel load reduction burns within their jurisdictions ?


I ask, coz apparently there have been many complaints from eastern states landholders, that many local councils [stacked with 'Sea-change' and 'Tree-change' LEFTISTS] have been doing just that, for many years.

John Smith wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 2:50pm:





      COULD BE

      NOPE - 'CLIMATE CHANGE' - YES, IT DOES

      NOPE - AUSTRALIA HAS ALWAYS HAD DROUGHTS, SOME PARTICULARLY SEVERE






I encourage you to chase that info yourself.       

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 11:21am:



they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment   even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...


even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....


and thats when the real govt has to do deals...

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:36am:



how so????   the greens control many councils who are responsible for burning off licencing. and tree removal.....   people who need to do either or both have had an uphill battle.......as you say we have had a small window to do this type of thing.......and yet it has to go through local councils....ask any farmer or local who has a large unsafe looking tree  on their property..?.....

I dont see how that off topic?..

We need more fire breaks. I've noticed since I moved to the bush that cleared land is bushfire resistant, no trees to burn, no firestorms, just a bit of grass

That doesn't mean we should clear all land, only enough to provide decent clearings to minimize fires jumping across and make it more manageable to fight fires

The fire breaks need to be wider than current laws say they've got to be though. If you've ever seen the cleared strips for electricity towers, that's what I mean

The less fires and the more isolated they are, the more the animals get a chance to survive

Christine Finlay has been sounding the alarm on bushfires in Australia for more than a decade after tracking the relationship ­between reduced cool burning and the frequency of firestorms. And the Queensland-based fire ­researcher, who charted a century of archival bushfire records for her PhD, has long been screaming danger.

Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919. This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning.

Finlay says this ­detailed correlation between the accumulation of catastrophic fuel loads and the frequency of extreme bushfires made it possible to forecast the dramatic increase in firestorms we have seen in the 21st century.

“For years, I energetically sent this predictive model to government agencies, in particular bushfire services, the media, coronial and parliamentary inquiries and so on,” she says. “Horribly ­ignored, it proved horribly accurate.”

Finlay has the support of forester Vic Jurskis, who has written a book on fire stick ecology and how indigenous Australians managed the landscape with fire.

In an open letter to the Prime Minister, premiers, chief ministers and opposition leaders in November, Jurskis said this season’s ­bushfire situation was neither ­unprecedented nor unexpected.

“This latest holocaust is a direct consequence of unprecedented accumulation of 3D continuous fuels as a result of green influence on politics,” Jurskis says.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/firestorms-follow-move-away-from-cool-...

The Greens' policy of locking up national parks is the direct cause of every one of these catastrophic bush fires. Every single one occurs in national parks and spreads to villages and towns on the edge of those parks.

Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:


No surprise that this came from the Murdoch press
You do realise that Australia's population in 1919 was just 5 million. The fires weren't as dangerous because there were fewer people. There weren't 5,000 people holidaying at Malacoota for a start.

What this paragragh is basicly saying is that prior to 1919 indigenous land practices dominated because there were so few white people. After 1919 European land practices took over because of increasing European population. The Murdoch press have just put there own spin on it.


Frank wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:13pm:


How many times do we need to explain that the Greens have never been in Government

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:



green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:


which councils are green?

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:55pm:


I am too far away from the east coast. try somewhere closer to home.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:05pm:


As far as i know NONE - obviously as far as you know too

Spot

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:13pm:



Sorry. I can only go on the former CSIRO scientist. Perhaps that is the post to which you should have responded.

"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned."

perhaps you can refute him?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:36pm:


Well it's his opinion and it was an opinion he had 5 years ago.

Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought.
The armchair experts on this forum haven't explained.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:16pm:




thats for sure... we should be leaders in the world under these conditions....all we can hope for is this govt learns from this.... we need to be ahead of firestorms  not behind them...

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:



speaking of little ability......what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:



and you have the hide to question others ability to understand

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:



Some reduction burns escape. Few become dangerous bushfires. There fixed it for you.

Fuel reduction burns can be done at any time the understorey is dry enough. Eucalypts provide a good source of oils.

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:



Yeah, right.  If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!!



The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:41pm:



no, i meant this, which was the quote you supplied

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:



can you show the greens policies outlined there?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:



John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:



What don't you understand petal? You do understand green is not necessarily about the Greens Party?? 

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:17pm:


did you even read the link you dickhead?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:



poor petal. And yet it was you asked me about the Greens party. To which, twice, I answered there was nothing there about the Greens Party. Did it take the second time to finally sink in?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:



Because Barney was as usual, wrong.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:



Because it wasn't about the Greens Party. Oh dear Now it is three times and it still hasn't sunken in.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:05pm:



And as I said Barney was wrong, as usual.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:21pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:


Take 4.

"have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology" "

What part of
John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:29pm:



Now you are using the Greens as party.

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:02pm:



that's the writer showing his ideology rather than talking about specific green party policies. Try again

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:18pm:





Stop posting now.

A Gmod has been PMed.

If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy CLIMATE ACTION!!! - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!!   YAY!!!!!    CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!!  YAY!!!!!



The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:22pm:



It's becuz johnny lurves me.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 6:21am:



But I'm correct.
We have a particular type of tree that doesn't burn - it explodes.

The fires are caused by God's punishment that people
voted for homo marriage and sodomy.

Bobby. wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:07pm:



STREWTH!   bobs why do you keep making an idiot of yourself.???

Jeremy Clarkson got a hiding for saying something like that.... dont you learn from anyone?.


why blame God for goodness sakes... what he done to you?

greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 6^th, 2020 at 2:05pm:




Principles

The Greens NSW believe that:

1.    As intact natural resources, New South Wales’s current National Parks (NP) and Nature Reserves (NR) and other lands protected under the National Parks & Wildlife (NPW) Act are precious environmental jewels, but they do not protect the full range of biological diversity natural heritage and ecosystem processes;

2.    Major additions are required to the parks and conservation system if the network of protected areas is to achieve the survival of significant components of the state's natural heritage and biodiversity. Current land management practices are destroying large tracts of native vegetation and associated habitats for native fauna;

3.    A comprehensive conservation assessment process is required to identify all areas that would require reservation and protection in order to meet the objective of a 'comprehensive, adequate and representative' reserve system. Such an assessment must employ proper consultation with Indigenous Australians and other key stakeholders, public participation, and scientifically valid and publicly accepted methodologies;

4.    The management of our protected areas is often confused because of the failure to recognise and resolve such competing interests as nature conservation, heritage of Indigenous Australians, historic heritage, and recreation and tourism. The National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) should focus its attention on its principal role as a nature conservation agency under the principles of ecologically sustainable development, which will have elements of heritage of Indigenous Australians and historic heritage as well as recreational/tourist opportunities;

5.    The rights of Indigenous Australians and their unique role in developing appropriate ecological management systems for National Parks must be recognised.

https://greens.org.au/nsw/policies/national-parks-and-wilderness

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 7^th, 2020 at 7:42pm:



Yep great job by the RFS and NPWS. BUt frankly what a surprise Yadda starts a thread like this.


I also noticed that the people I know who started this BS online, were the types who would never set foot in a NP in their life, so have no idea about what conditions are like in them

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2020 at 9:50am:



Lol, sure.