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Jan 4th, 2020 at 10:49am
 

Greens policies kills 100's of millions of native animals




Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires.

Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED.


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Experts Estimate 480 Million Animals Killed in Australian Fires



We get bush-fires every summer.

Historically, we have had many, many catastrophic summer bush-fires.

And yes, this one will go down as probably the very worst.

Thank you Greens.





No matter how hot the air is [in summer], a fire can not burn, if it has no fuel.

Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

AND THAT IS      WHY     FUEL REDUCTION BURNS IN THE OFF-SEASON, SHOULD BE MANDATORY, IN RURAL AUSTRALIA !



Summer fires can be manageable, with low fuel loads.

That is why individual landholders are required by law, to ensure there are fire breaks around their property, before summer !

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SO THERE IS NO FUEL TO SPREAD A [POTENTIAL] FIRE, OVER PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

NO FUEL TO BURN = = NO FIRE SPREAD.




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Re: Greens policies kills millions of native animals
Reply #1 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:21am
 
Wrong again Yadda

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The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.
https://greens.org.au/bushfires


Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  Wink
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Reply #2 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:37pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:21am:

Wrong again Yadda

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The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.
https://greens.org.au/bushfires



Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government



But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  Wink




True.

But.....

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Do persons with green sympathies have majorities on many eastern states councils ?


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Do many eastern states councils [dominated by political LEFTISTS] prohibit and ban [on ideological grounds] fuel load reduction burns within their jurisdictions ?


I ask, coz apparently there have been many complaints from eastern states landholders, that many local councils [stacked with 'Sea-change' and 'Tree-change' LEFTISTS] have been doing just that, for many years.




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Reply #3 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:50pm
 
nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35%

nothing to do with global warming

nothing o do with the drought




but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?
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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:16pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:50pm:

nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35%

nothing to do with global warming

nothing o do with the drought




but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?






nothing to do with scomo cutting funding to NSW firies by 35%
      COULD BE

nothing to do with global warming
      NOPE - 'CLIMATE CHANGE' - YES, IT DOES

nothing o do with the drought
      NOPE - AUSTRALIA HAS ALWAYS HAD DROUGHTS, SOME PARTICULARLY SEVERE




but since you bought up the greens yadda, which councils in the fire affected regions are greenies in charge of?


I encourage you to chase that info yourself.        Wink





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Re: Greens policies kills millions of native animals
Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 10:29pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 3:16pm:
I encourage you to chase that info yourself.        Wink



you're the one made the claim, you're the one that needs to support it. Otherwise you can run away and show the few who haven't yet figured out what a fool you, just what a fool you are.
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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:21am:
Wrong again Yadda

Quote:
The Australian Greens support hazard reduction burns and backburning to reduce the impact of wildfire when guided by the best scientific, ecological and emergency service expertise.
https://greens.org.au/bushfires


Not to mention that the Greens have never been in government

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good myth  Wink



they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment   even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...


even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....


and thats when the real govt has to do deals... Sad
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Reply #7 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am
 
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm:
they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...

even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....

and thats when the real govt has to do deals... Sad


Once again you've gone way off topic cods

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

As you can see he has failed miserably.
And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window.
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Reply #8 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:11am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am:
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm:
they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...

even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....

and thats when the real govt has to do deals... Sad


Once again you've gone way off topic cods

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

As you can see he has failed miserably.
And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window.



how so????   the greens control many councils who are responsible for burning off licencing. and tree removal.....   people who need to do either or both have had an uphill battle.......as you say we have had a small window to do this type of thing.......and yet it has to go through local councils....ask any farmer or local who has a large unsafe looking tree  on their property..?.....

I dont see how that off topic?..
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Reply #9 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:40am
 
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:11am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am:
cods wrote on Jan 4th, 2020 at 11:08pm:
they have been in local govt though   and thats where they wield their whips.... ... we do not have the dams this vast country needs    because the Greens  who also win votes at election time   make a huge scene about to environment  even though now thats exactly what we need    WATER..... you cant deny that barnacle...

even though they are not in govt  they do have a certain amount of POWER.....

and thats when the real govt has to do deals... Sad


Once again you've gone way off topic cods

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

As you can see he has failed miserably.
And I haven't even gone into how 3 years of drought have made it too dangerous to do fuel reduction burns during the small Autumn window.



how so????   the greens control many councils who are responsible for burning off licencing. and tree removal.....   people who need to do either or both have had an uphill battle.......as you say we have had a small window to do this type of thing.......and yet it has to go through local councils....ask any farmer or local who has a large unsafe looking tree  on their property..?.....

I dont see how that off topic?..


Can you name any Green local councilors in rural areas? I don't think you'll find any country voters voting for them.

I think you will find that most Greens in local councils are inner city.
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Reply #10 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:53am
 
We need more fire breaks. I've noticed since I moved to the bush that cleared land is bushfire resistant, no trees to burn, no firestorms, just a bit of grass

That doesn't mean we should clear all land, only enough to provide decent clearings to minimize fires jumping across and make it more manageable to fight fires

The fire breaks need to be wider than current laws say they've got to be though. If you've ever seen the cleared strips for electricity towers, that's what I mean

The less fires and the more isolated they are, the more the animals get a chance to survive
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Reply #11 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 11:01am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 10:40am:
I think you will find that most Greens in local councils are inner city.



cods must be talking about the bushfires in Melbourne's docklands  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:13pm
 
Christine Finlay has been sounding the alarm on bushfires in Australia for more than a decade after tracking the relationship ­between reduced cool burning and the frequency of firestorms. And the Queensland-based fire ­researcher, who charted a century of archival bushfire records for her PhD, has long been screaming danger.

Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919. This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning.

Finlay says this ­detailed correlation between the accumulation of catastrophic fuel loads and the frequency of extreme bushfires made it possible to forecast the dramatic increase in firestorms we have seen in the 21st century.

“For years, I energetically sent this predictive model to government agencies, in particular bushfire services, the media, coronial and parliamentary inquiries and so on,” she says. “Horribly ­ignored, it proved horribly accurate.”

Finlay has the support of forester Vic Jurskis, who has written a book on fire stick ecology and how indigenous Australians managed the landscape with fire.

In an open letter to the Prime Minister, premiers, chief ministers and opposition leaders in November, Jurskis said this season’s ­bushfire situation was neither ­unprecedented nor unexpected.

“This latest holocaust is a direct consequence of unprecedented accumulation of 3D continuous fuels as a result of green influence on politics,” Jurskis says.
It’s all about fuel, not climate.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/firestorms-follow-move-away-from-cool-...

The Greens' policy of locking up national parks is the direct cause of every one of these catastrophic bush fires. Every single one occurs in national parks and spreads to villages and towns on the edge of those parks.


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Reply #13 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:37pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 9:36am:
This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.



"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management.
And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated."
He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-war...

From 2015 but nothings changed. It also applies to NSW and Qld.
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Reply #14 - Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:40pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:13pm:
Finlay’s thesis examined problem bushfires between 1881 and 1981. What she found after plotting the historical data on a graph was that there was a marked increase in the size and frequency of fires after 1919. This was when bushfire-reduction operations increasingly moved away from traditional indigenous practices such as low-­intensity cool burning.


No surprise that this came from the Murdoch press
You do realise that Australia's population in 1919 was just 5 million. The fires weren't as dangerous because there were fewer people. There weren't 5,000 people holidaying at Malacoota for a start.

What this paragragh is basicly saying is that prior to 1919 indigenous land practices dominated because there were so few white people. After 1919 European land practices took over because of increasing European population. The Murdoch press have just put there own spin on it.


Frank wrote on Jan 5th, 2020 at 12:13pm:
“This latest holocaust is a direct consequence of unprecedented accumulation of 3D continuous fuels as a result of green influence on politics,” Jurskis says.
It’s all about fuel, not climate.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/firestorms-follow-move-away-from-cool-...

The Greens' policy of locking up national parks is the direct cause of every one of these catastrophic bush fires. Every single one occurs in national parks and spreads to villages and towns on the edge of those parks.



How many times do we need to explain that the Greens have never been in Government

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