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Reply #30 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:03pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 2:40pm:

green ideology is not the green partys policies you fool

Poor petal so little reading ability in one headspace.

Yadda wrote on Jan 4^th, 2020 at 10:49am:

Greens council 'green' policies are largely responsible for 100's of millions of native animals killed in these fires.

Eastern states firestorms [being the result of many, many Greens council ban's on fuel load reduction in rural areas], has killed 100's of millions of native animals - EXPERTS CLAIM 100'S OF MILLIONS HAVE BEEN KILLED.

Nothing there about the "Greens Party". Grin

speaking of little ability......what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that

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Reply #32 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:03pm:

..what i said was that there was no mention of the greens party in your post, not in yaddas rant. Once you quit back peddling, try and address that

Why didn't I mention the greens party? Why should I mention them petal?

and you have the hide to question others ability to understand Cheesy

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy. Cheesy

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Reply #33 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

and you have the hide to question others ability to understand

Yes petal. because you are extremely limited. Wink

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy.

And?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote Today at 7:36am:
This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

Perhaps you meant this? But yadda didn't mention the Green's Party as I already pointed out petal. Grin

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Re: Greens policies kills millions of native animals
Reply #34 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:44pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires
The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn

Some reduction burns escape. Few become dangerous bushfires. There fixed it for you.

Fuel reduction burns can be done at any time the understorey is dry enough. Eucalypts provide a good source of oils. Wink

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Reply #35 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:28pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:52pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:46pm:

Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought.

It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal.

Which doesn't answer the question (as usual)

Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires
The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn

Fuel reduction burns arn't the silver bullet that conservative commentators like to think Wink

Well, a reduction in the fuel load would have been beneficial.

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Reply #36 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 5:53pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:59pm:

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:52pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 3:46pm:

Perhaps he would like to explain how fuel reduction burns can be safely carried out after 3 years of drought.

It is called patchwork burning for a reason petal.

Which doesn't answer the question (as usual)

Many fuel reduction burns escape and become dangerous bushfires
The window when they can be safely done is just a few weeks in Autumn

Fuel reduction burns arn't the silver bullet that conservative commentators like to think Wink

Yeah, right. If only we had zero emission, carbon trading, all renewable energy - there would be NOTHING in these areas to burn any more!!!! YAY!!!!! CLIMATE ACTION would magically remove all that flammable stuff!!! YAY!!!!!

The religious dogmatism and messianic fervour of the climate action kids is astonishing.

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Reply #37 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades

Bradstock says: “In New South Wales, hazard reduction work is governed by policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environment groups and governments.

“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-c...

so I'll ask again despite no one answering previously, where are these green council in the fire zones that reduced backburning?

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Reply #38 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

and you have the hide to question others ability to understand

Yes petal. because you are extremely limited. Wink

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 4:27pm:

the quote you supplied in your post you moron, it didn't mention greens policy.

And?

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote Today at 7:36am:
This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

Perhaps you meant this? But yadda didn't mention the Green's Party as I already pointed out petal. Grin

no, i meant this, which was the quote you supplied

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 12:37pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 9:36am:

This thread is yadda's attempt to blame the Greens for the bush fires.

"Forest fuel levels have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology", vested interests, political failure and mismanagement, creating a massive bushfire threat, a former CSIRO bushfire scientist has warned.
Victoria's "failed fire management policy" is an increasing threat to human life, water supplies, property and the forest environment, David Packham said in a submission to the state's Inspector-General for Emergency Management.
And he argued that unless the annual fuel reduction burning target, currently at a minimum of 5 per cent of public land, "is doubled or preferably tripled, a massive bushfire disaster will occur. The forest and alpine environment will decay and be damaged possibly beyond repair and homes and people [will be] incinerated."
He said forest fuel levels had climbed to their most dangerous level in thousands of years."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/bushfire-scientist-david-packham-war...

From 2015 but nothings changed. It also applies to NSW and Qld.

can you show the greens policies outlined there?

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Reply #39 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:20pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades

Bradstock says: “In New South Wales, hazard reduction work is governed by policies that are set by coordinating committee chaired by the Rural Fire Service. They bring together all players – with representatives from farmers, environment groups and governments.

“Hazard reduction work has increased because of increased funding to the RFS and to national parks. There has been more carried out in recent years than in previous decades.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-c...

so I'll ask again despite no one answering previously, where are these green council in the fire zones that reduced backburning?

It's the green ideology everyone is genuflecting to.

Preserving 'wilderness' is a green ideology.

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Reply #40 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:40pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

can you show the greens policies outlined there?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology"

What don't you understand petal? You do understand green is not necessarily about the Greens Party?? Roll Eyes

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Reply #41 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:17pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades

"We exceeded it and burnt 137,000 hectares of national parks [last year]." 2018

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/as-fires-rage-coalition-at-loggerheads-over-...

"A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-c...

So about 2,000 hectares in 2019.

Unless you have other data.

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Re: Greens policies kills millions of native animals
Reply #42 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:21pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:17pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:05pm:

The NSw parks services had already exceeded the amount of backburning planned until the end of 2019. Backburning isat the highest levels in decades

"We exceeded it and burnt 137,000 hectares of national parks [last year]." 2018

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/as-fires-rage-coalition-at-loggerheads-over-...

"A spokesperson for the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment has told Guardian Australia that the National Parks and Wildlife Service carried out hazard reduction activities across more than 139,000ha in 2018 and 2019."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-c...

So about 2,000 hectares in 2019.

Unless you have other data.

did you even read the link you dickhead?

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Reply #43 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm

lee wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

can you show the greens policies outlined there?

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 6:07pm:

have worsened over the past 30 years because of "misguided green ideology"

What don't you understand petal? You do understand green is not necessarily about the Greens Party?? Roll Eyes

yes, i do, and until i pointed it out to you, you didn't. Cheesy

Before you pretend you did, you put it up as some sort of counter to the Barnacles comment to Yadda about attempting to blame the greens. How is your quote relevant to what he said if it's not about the greens party? Cheesy

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Re: Greens policies kills millions of native animals
Reply #44 - Jan 5^th, 2020 at 8:01pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

yes, i do, and until i pointed it out to you, you didn't.

poor petal. And yet it was you asked me about the Greens party. To which, twice, I answered there was nothing there about the Greens Party. Did it take the second time to finally sink in? Grin

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

Before you pretend you did, you put it up as some sort of counter to the Barnacles comment to Yadda about attempting to blame the greens.

Because Barney was as usual, wrong. Grin

John Smith wrote on Jan 5^th, 2020 at 7:28pm:

How is your quote relevant to what he said if it's not about the greens party?

Because it wasn't about the Greens Party. Oh dear Now it is three times and it still hasn't sunken in. Grin

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