But hey, you kept your franking credits.

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 10:30am:

I would bam  I think you know me better than that

WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO THEY ARE NOT DOING???>..

the ADF have been there since sept....I have suggested they get trained for fir fighting under these circumstances... if we were at WAR it would be another thing.. so far I have been howled down by my lefty friends.. for even thinking such a thing..

I even suggested a collective prayer   OMG   I was hung and drawn...but at least I suggest things.....

what about you what would you suggest happen in the future.?.. apart from BLAME of course.

Mullins said he and 23 other fire and emergency chiefs had been trying to have a meeting with the prime minister, Scott Morrison, since April because they “knew that a bushfire crisis was coming”.

Instead, he said current fire chiefs had been locked out of discussions and were “not allowed” to mention climate change.

“This government fundamentally doesn’t like talking about climate change,” Mullins said. “We would like the doors to be open to the current chiefs, and allow them to utter the words ‘climate change’. They are not allowed to at the moment.

“The Grenfell fire in London, people talked about the cause from day one. Train crashes they talk from day one. And it is OK to say it is an arsonist’s fault, or pretend that the greenies are stopping hazard reduction burning, which is simply not true.

“But you are not allowed to talk about climate change. Well, we are, because we know what is happening.”

Bibby, who was in charge during Victoria’s Black Saturday, said politics was the reason the government was ignoring the former fire chiefs’ advice.

Other interstate fire chiefs were outspoken about the effect global heating has on bushfires.

Lee Johnson, the former commissioner of Queensland Fire and Emergency Services wanted immediate action.

“I’m here for my children and grandchildren,” he said. “In Queensland in the last couple of weeks we have seen unprecedented fires.”

Bob Conroy, former fire manager of NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service, said: “The fires are impacting on areas that haven’t known fires for millennia.”

Mullins said the bushfire emergency was underlaid by a climate emergency.

“On the 6th of September, southeast Queensland and NSW experienced record fire weather, never before experienced in September. On the 8th of November, again we had record-breaking fire weather in NSW.

“And on the 12th of November, for the first time ever, Sydney experienced catastrophic fire danger. Fires are literally off the scale on this warming planet.”

The link between climate change and bushfire risk became a political flashpoint this week.

On Monday the Nationals leader and deputy prime minister, Michael McCormack, said it galled him when “inner-city lefties” raised climate change in relation to bushfires.

“We’ve had fires in Australia since time began, and what people need now is a little bit of sympathy, understanding and real assistance – they need help, they need shelter,” he told ABC Radio.

“They don’t need the ravings of some pure, enlightened and woke capital city greenies at this time, when they’re trying to save their homes, when in fact they’re going out in many cases saving other peoples’ homes and leaving their own homes at risk.”

Governments have ignored the warnings of fire chiefs on bushfires. There is no more time to waste

The NSW Nationals leader, John Barilaro, said it was “a disgrace” for anyone to talk about climate change during the bushfires.

But on Wednesday the Liberal MP and NSW environment minister, Matt Kean, said climate change “is a real issue” and “requires a decisive response”. He said science was clear that “our changing climate is seeing more extreme weather events”.

The former fire chiefs had two requests for the government: more resources for firefighters; take on “the fundamental problem” of climate change.

Mullins said he was told the energy minister, Angus Taylor, would speak to him and the water minister, David Littleproud, has set a meeting.

“None of us can understand why climate change in Australia is so political,” he said. “In the UK, the conservatives, Margaret Thatcher, said years ago this is a major problem.”

Bam wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 10:30am:




I would bam  I think you know me better than that


WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO THEY ARE NOT DOING???>..

the ADF have been there since sept....I have suggested they get trained for fir fighting under these circumstances... if we were at WAR it would be another thing.. so far I have been howled down by my lefty friends.. for even thinking such a thing..

I even suggested a collective prayer   OMG   I was hung and drawn...but at least I suggest things.....

what about you what would you suggest happen in the future.?.. apart from BLAME of course.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2020 at 9:49am:



answer my question give me the link of the accusations you have made...

and no that isnt true    as far as I know ash Wed  was one of our greatest catastrophes  facing this country when it comes to bush fires...


tell me what have we learnt or done since then?????????????????

you claim nothing would change..... so tell us what did change... then we can debate...


justa reminder

Prior to the events on Ash Wednesday, a drought lasting ten months had dried out the eastern Australian forests. The context on 16 February was characterised by heatwave conditions, low humidity and strong to gale force winds. Temperatures varied between the high thirties to mid forties over most of eastern South Australia and Victoria, with relative humidity generally at less than 15 per cent.

In Victoria, 47 people died, 150,000 hectares were burnt, 1620 houses and more than 1500 other buildings were destroyed and 32,400 livestock were lost.

In South Australia, 28 people died, including three Country Fire Service volunteer firefighters. More than 1500 people were injured, 383 homes and 200 other buildings were destroyed and 160 000 hectares were burnt.

The Insurance Council of Australia estimated the 1983 damage for Victoria at $138 million and South Australia at $38 million; the 2011 estimated repeated cost was $1489 million for Victoria and $307 million for South Australia.



how far have we come?????