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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21524 Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #30 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 11:40am Hi Barney, welcome back. Happy Boxing day. Have you reviewed my post yet? You haven't commented.
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Reply #31 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 11:54am

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 11:38am:

Ajax wrote on Dec 24^th, 2019 at 8:49am:

Australia's eco system sequesters more CO2 every year than Australia emits, therefore we are a carbon neutral country, what we emit is taken up by our land and its eco system.

Before we go way off topic I'll ask you again.

In your opening post why have you failed to include natural CO₂ emissions in your calulations?

If you only include natural sequestering and human emissions then you are missing a very important part of the carbon cycle and your conclusion will be wrong

Human emissions is what its all about right barny....?

Can we agree on that point, because I haven't found a document that tackles natural CO2.

So then when you invest in a tree plantation for the purpose of sequestering CO2 out of the atmosphere for carbon credits are you sequestering manmade CO2 or natural CO2, or just CO2 from the atmosphere.

Which is it barny.......???

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Reply #32 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:07pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25^th, 2019 at 12:47pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25^th, 2019 at 12:21pm:

lee wrote on Dec 25^th, 2019 at 12:18pm:

Remember IBUKI satellite data and Australia is a carbon sink?

Remember how I debunked that as cherry picking data?
You do realize that 2010 was the year the drought broke and the year after the bushfires. All that (temporary) regrowth does wonders.
Now have you got anything for any year other than 2010? Any year at all Wink

I'll just leave this here and check back later to see if lee has managed to come up with anything Wink

Barney has been and gone again. I guess the dog ate his keyboard. Wink

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 62270 Here Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #33 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm Quote: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..
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Reply #34 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:46pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..

Australia's emissions or global emissions?

According to the Garudian March 2006 to December 2007 we emitted 614.9 Mt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/13/australias-carbon-emissio...

According to the Garudian says Australia emitted 561Mt to March 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/09/australias-emissions-reac...

Apparently the highest on record doesn't go back as far as 2007. Wink

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Reply #35 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 3:18pm

lee wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..

Australia's emissions or global emissions?

According to the Garudian March 2006 to December 2007 we emitted 614.9 Mt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/13/australias-carbon-emissio...

According to the Garudian says Australia emitted 561Mt to March 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/09/australias-emissions-reac...

Apparently the highest on record doesn't go back as far as 2007. Wink

How good is cherry picking?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21524 Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #36 - Dec 26^th, 2019 at 4:05pm Robot wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 3:18pm: How good is cherry picking? I depends on the cherry petal. The garudian clearly claims 2019 was the worst year for CO2e emissions. If 2006-7 was higher you think they would acknowledge that.
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Reply #37 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 7:40am

lee wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:46pm:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..

Australia's emissions or global emissions?

According to the Garudian March 2006 to December 2007 we emitted 614.9 Mt.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/13/australias-carbon-emissio...

According to the Garudian says Australia emitted 561Mt to March 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/09/australias-emissions-reac...

Apparently the highest on record doesn't go back as far as 2007. Wink

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Australia's emissions or global emissions?

Do you think that Australia is isolated from the overall result ?

Will Australia survive if the rest of the world doesn't ?

Should we do our share or not ?

Making decisions based on a localise bit of good fortune is no real help overall.

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Reply #38 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 8:31am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

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Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING!

Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..

Well lets put it this way, our land and vegetation absorbs way more CO2 than we emit.

Why should Australia pay if we are carbon neutral no lets make that carbon negative.

Instead of sending billions of tax payers dollars to the oligarchy on wall street and the United NAtions.

Lets keep this money and invest in cleaner technology or retrofitting existing plants and if there is some left over lets put it into schools roads etc etc.

Lets clean up manmade pollution in all its forms.

CO2 btw is not pollution............... Wink

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60490 Gender:	Re: Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING! Reply #39 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 8:33am https://mobile.twitter.com/pwafork/status/1210009377446350848 Question: If CO2 is the enemy, why aren't the Extinction Rebellion/Greta mob out in force in front of every Chinese consulate and embassy in the world? Answer: CO2 isn't their real target.
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Reply #40 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 8:59am

Ajax wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 8:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 12:35pm:

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Climate Change: Why Australia needs to do NOTHING!

Rather dumb excuse for being irresponsible while emissions are still increasing..

Well lets put it this way, our land and vegetation absorbs way more CO2 than we emit.

Why should Australia pay if we are carbon neutral no lets make that carbon negative.

Instead of sending billions of tax payers dollars to the oligarchy on wall street and the United NAtions.

Lets keep this money and invest in cleaner technology or retrofitting existing plants and if there is some left over lets put it into schools roads etc etc.

Lets clean up manmade pollution in all its forms.

CO2 btw is not pollution............... Wink

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Lets keep this money and invest in cleaner technology or retrofitting existing plants and if there is some left over lets put it into schools roads etc etc.

You understand that this isn't doing nothing ? In fact it is the exact opposite it is what we need to be doing.

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CO2 btw is not pollution

Depends on the volume and impact, a natural amount of CO2 is not pollution.

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Reply #41 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 9:09am

Dnarever wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 8:59am:

You understand that this isn't doing nothing ? In fact it is the exact opposite it is what we need to be doing.

Care to give some examples............???

If we invest in cleaner technology and retrofit existing plants this will reduce our emissions will it not........??

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2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #42 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 9:44am

lee wrote on Dec 26^th, 2019 at 11:40am:

Hi Barney, welcome back. Happy Boxing day. Have you reviewed my post yet? You haven't commented. Wink

Wow, I didn't realise what an arrogant prick you were demanding that I respond to your posts
I have to admit it was amusing watching you on Christmas Day. One by one responding to every single coal related post on the forum. Working on Christmas day? The IPA really don't pay you enough Wink

back to your BS about Australia being a carbon sink.

2010.

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Australia's weather pattern transitioned rapidly to a wet La Niña pattern during the autumn of 2010, resulting in record-breaking rains in the Murray-Darling basin and well above average rainfall across the south-east. For many locations this was the first year of above-average rainfall since 1996. The rainfall dramatically increased surface water storage and soil moisture, effectively ending the drought in the south-east.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_Australian_drought

So the 14 year drought broke in the first half of 2010 and lets not forget the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009. It would have made for quite exceptional plant growth in 2010.

So I have answered as you have demanded. So are you going to return the favour and provide some stats for any year other than 2010?

Or are you just a hypocrite who has one set of standards for yourself and another set of standards for others? Wink

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Reply #44 - Dec 27^th, 2019 at 12:27pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 27^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/80577810_1683913255078062_57575589...

That old chestnut
Explain this Sprintcyclist
If the Sun really is the only thing that controls the climate, why is Venus hotter than Mercury, even though Mercury is closer to the sun?
Take all the time you want Sprinty Wink

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