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Trees revealed under retreating glaciers....
Nov 28^th, 2019 at 11:36pm

Trees revealed under retreating glaciers....

....at 'too high' an altitude.

I came across this forum page.....

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Three years ago, I spend some days on the Swiss Alps.
All the glaciers we visited were in clear recession. Ok, this is a global issue.
But I was suprised by a little detail in the Ferpècle Glacier, in the Évolène valley, near Sion, Switzerland.

There were several trees on the river bed, just below the ice edge. A clearly retreating ice edge, one has to say. On the first photo, you'll see the remains of the tree on the river bed.
The second photo show a general view from a recent morraine. You'll see the same hole on the glacier from which melt waters flow in its context. The area is at 2000m above sea level and you'll see no trees.

Can anyone explain where these trees came from? I say trees because there were several of them, and we could even see one inside the glacier.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/trees-under-retreating-glaciers.284901/

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Ok. Agree, but let me clarify: nowdays, at 2000m (6500feet?) there are no trees on that area. And as you point, those trees were even higher when the glacier started to grow.

Climate Change.

Yes, it does.

And it always has.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21524 Gender:	Re: Trees revealed under retreating glaciers.... Reply #2 - Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:18pm The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 3:31pm: No One is disputing that the climate has changed in the past Not sure why you deniers keep bringing it up But the Ice core data about CO2 doesn't stack up against a maximum of 4.5C per doubling.
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Reply #3 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am

lee wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 6:18pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 29^th, 2019 at 3:31pm:

No One is disputing that the climate has changed in the past
Not sure why you deniers keep bringing it up

But the Ice core data about CO2 doesn't stack up against a maximum of 4.5C per doubling. Wink

And exactly how is that relevant to trees being revealed under retreating glaciers? Grin

I know you are obsessed with me lee and you can't help making some stupid irrelevant remark after every one of my posts
I think you need some professional help Wink

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Reply #4 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 10:54am

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

And exactly how is that relevant to trees being revealed under retreating glaciers?

Because according to "Climate Science"^TM the world hasn't had those previous changes if you look at the data. To get a temperature change of 2ºC, ECS would need to be 125ºC per doubling.

Of course perhaps CO2 is NOT the driver of Climate Change^TM.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

I know you are obsessed with me lee and you can't help making some stupid irrelevant remark after every one of my posts

Poor petal. Sees lee lurking behind every tree. Grin

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Reply #5 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:06am

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 9:30am:

And exactly how is that relevant to trees being revealed under retreating glaciers?

Because according to "Climate Science"^TM the world hasn't had those previous changes if you look at the data. To get a temperature change of 2ºC, ECS would need to be 125ºC per doubling.

Of course perhaps CO2 is NOT the driver of Climate Change^TM.

Are you being deliberately stupid or are you just trolling?

Whilst changes in CO₂ will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

The funny thing is seeing you arrogantly trying to discredit scientists. but in the process you actually show that you have NFI Grin

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Reply #6 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:48am

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Whilst changes in CO2 will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

What are the others petal? And how much? Wink

But the scientists say 1.5ºC - 4.5ºC per doubling. They also say that the effect is logarithmic.

The ice core data says 270ppm to 280ppm.

I know you are mathematically challenged, but are you saying now, after all this time, that CO2 is NOT the main driver of climate change? In that case it is only a minor player. You can't have it both ways. Grin

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Reply #7 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Whilst changes in CO2 will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

What are the others petal? And how much? Wink

But the scientists say 1.5ºC - 4.5ºC per doubling. They also say that the effect is logarithmic.

The ice core data says 270ppm to 280ppm.

I know you are mathematically challenged, but are you saying now, after all this time, that CO2 is NOT the main driver of climate change? In that case it is only a minor player. You can't have it both ways. Grin

Now i know that you are trolling. You can't possibly be that stupid.

I said:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:06am:

Whilst changes in CO₂ will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

This is something the deniers struggle to understand

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Reply #8 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:14pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

The_Barnacle wrote Today at 9:06am:
Whilst changes in CO2 will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

This is something the deniers struggle to understand

Where have I denied climate changes petal?

And I asked "What are the others petal? And how much? "

But you failed to answer.

So tell me what YOU understand. Grin

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Reply #9 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:20pm

lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:14pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 11:57am:

The_Barnacle wrote Today at 9:06am:
Whilst changes in CO2 will ALWAYS change the climate, it isn't the ONLY thing that changes the climate.

This is something the deniers struggle to understand

Where have I denied climate changes petal?

And I asked "What are the others petal? And how much? "

But you failed to answer.

So tell me what YOU understand. Grin

Look it up yourself, google is your friend Wink

I'm not here to teach you climate science. I've got better things to do than waste my time doing that.
I know you love demanding things from other people because it distracts from your own failings but I won't be engaging.

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Reply #10 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:27pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

I'm not here to teach you climate science. I've got better things to do than waste my time doing that.

Your ignorance and lack of knowledge is abysmal.

You parrot words like climate denier, climate change, carbon cycle but you don't understand a single one.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

I know you love demanding things from other people because it distracts from your own failings but I won't be engaging.

I gave you the calculations. You haven't done one thing to disprove them. If there are failings show them.

The thing is you can't because of your ignorance. And you don't want to learn.

Some dogs, like you, can't be taught new tricks. Grin

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26592 Australia	Re: Trees revealed under retreating glaciers.... Reply #11 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:52pm It doesnt matter. Its still bad for us whether its a conspiracy or not Spot
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21524 Gender:	Re: Trees revealed under retreating glaciers.... Reply #12 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:59pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:52pm: It doesnt matter. Its still bad for us whether its a conspiracy or not Spot What is bad for us? Glaciers retreating?
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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26592 Australia	Re: Trees revealed under retreating glaciers.... Reply #13 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 1:01pm lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:59pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:52pm: It doesnt matter. Its still bad for us whether its a conspiracy or not Spot What is bad for us? Glaciers retreating? Yup Spot
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 60490 Gender:	Re: Trees revealed under retreating glaciers.... Reply #14 - Nov 30^th, 2019 at 8:46pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 1:01pm: lee wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:59pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 30^th, 2019 at 12:52pm: It doesnt matter. Its still bad for us whether its a conspiracy or not Spot What is bad for us? Glaciers retreating? Yup Spot Why, Igor?
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