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Nov 23rd, 2019 at 4:17pm
 
The following is a selection of notes about upcoming planetary cycles and their possible effects on weather in the longer term. It was written in May, 2014.

Weather is determined by astronomical and physical reasons which are under fixed cyclic control.

Despite what climatologists would have us believe, the weather is not determined by any activities by Man.

From the dawn of time the Sun has always been the prime mover of weather, today it is the notion of a heavier-than-air “trace” gas called carbon dioxide. CO2 is absent in 99.96% of the atmosphere, and methane is one millionth, and yet we are encouraged to believe that between them the two gases have a controlling effect on the climate. That means 0.04% and 0.000001 respectfully, which is plainly absurd.

If we are ever to plan ahead for major droughts, measuring the effects of amounts of a negligible “greenhouse” gas is never going to advance it.  There is space weather, climatic weather and everyday weather. The  weighting system is suggested as follows:

1. Changes to whole planet:

(Irrespective of geography and nothing to do with the activities of Man)

Deviation of Earth’s rotational axis to the vertical.
Variation of Earth’s orbit.
Magnetosphere
Heliosphere

2. Climate at location:

(long-term trends in weather-patterns, nothing to do with activities of Man)

Proximity to equator (angle of the sun’s rays – latitude)
Direction of prevailing winds
Topographic factors – shape of land, proximity to other land masses, elevation and distance from coast

3. Weather at location:

(Trends and daily occurrences, nothing to do with activities of Man)

Influence of Moon on tides (including air tides), rain from ocean, and back to ocean. (80-85%), also ocean cycles e.g. El Nino
Level and intensity of cloud cover (keeps heat in, determines what, where, when of rain (15%)
Solar winds, cycles of sunspots (5% because of infrequency)

Immediate weather is modified by cycles of solar activity (position and number of occurring sunspots), and the cyclic position of the moon relative to the earth. Solar influences determine major droughts.


The above are extracts from the site, there is a lot more detail on the site planet alignments, how sunspots affect the weather. etc (Barnaby Joyce got it right?).

From what I can make of it, this drought we are in now may extend to 2023 in a lot of places.

I know man did not cause the many mass extinctions, end of the ice age, end of the Carboniferous era, end of the inland sea etc.etc. from the past.

I think it's time to stop using the natural cycle of the universe and its' effect on our weather as a political tool, the loony left should start working on helping people to live with the inevitable changes e.g.: longer severer droughts, major floodings, earthquakes, typhoons cyclones etc.etc. that we are going to have to live with in the future.
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Reply #1 - Nov 23rd, 2019 at 10:36pm
 
Once again the World falls into the duality of
Right or Wrong. Black or White, etc.
There can be only 'one' right answer apparently Roll Eyes
Such Yin/Yang stupidity.



Humanity is a part of nature.
Everything is going according to plan.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:12am
 
Quote:
The following is a selection of notes about upcoming planetary cycles and their possible effects on weather in the longer term. It was written in May, 2014. Weather is determined by astronomical and physical reasons which are under fixed cyclic control.


Absolute nonsense
The other planets have no effect on our weather. That sounds more like Astrology  Grin Grin Grin

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Despite what climatologists would have us believe, the weather is not determined by any activities by Man.


There is the "heat island effect" around cities which even deniers like lee concedes is real. So the above statement is clearly false.

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From the dawn of time the Sun has always been the prime mover of weather,


Perhaps you can explain why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though it is further from the Sun.

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today it is the notion of a heavier-than-air “trace” gas called carbon dioxide. CO2 is absent in 99.96% of the atmosphere, and methane is one millionth, and yet we are encouraged to believe that between them the two gases have a controlling effect on the climate. That means 0.04% and 0.000001 respectfully, which is plainly absurd.


The old "trace gas" argument which regularly gets trotted out by the denialists
So how much additional CO2 is required to affect our climate? How do you know that 0.04% won't increase temperatures? Emotively small numbers are being used to deceive.


So in summary moses, everything you have posted is either a lie, pseudo science or deceitful nonsense.
It's embarrassing for you that you have fallen for it
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Reply #3 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:39am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:12am:
There is the "heat island effect" around cities which even deniers like lee concedes is real.



Two things petal.

1. point me to where I have said climate doesn't change, or even that CO2 does not have any effect.

2. Temperature is only a small subset of climate. AND UHI is all about temperature.

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:12am:
How do you know that 0.04% won't increase temperatures?


The 0.04% is the current atmospheric total (actually 0.0412 or thereabouts). Humans emit 3% of total CO2. So 3% of 0.0412%. Wink

Where was it you were saying others knew nothing about CO2? Wink
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Reply #4 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:57am
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:39am:
The 0.04% is the current atmospheric total (actually 0.0412 or thereabouts). Humans emit 3% of total CO2. So 3% of 0.0412%. Wink

Where was it you were saying others knew nothing about CO2? Wink


And once again you show your complete ignorance of the carbon cycle despite my explaining it to you countless times.
you really are a complete waste of time lee
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Reply #5 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 12:45pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:57am:
And once again you show your complete ignorance of the carbon cycle despite my explaining it to you countless times.



And once again you fail the obvious. What a cute little climate alarmist you are. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And then of course your puerile
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:12am:
Perhaps you can explain why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though it is further from the Sun.


You have heard of Pressure petal? Pressure and Temperature are directly proportional. And how does CO2 heat anything? It doesn't. The source of energy of Venus is the Sun. Unless there are unknown heat engines on Venus. Wink


The carbon cycle. Humans are part of the carbon cycle because everything we eat has CO2 as an essential part (grasses What, Rye Oats) and therefore is merely being recycled.

But Cows, although being herbivores, are not part of the carbon cycle because they burp (more than fart) methane. But Methane is part of the carbon cycle it breaks down to CO2 and H2O.

But you tell us you have told us before (actually me), but you haven't petal, because you actually know Jack Schist.
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Reply #6 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:40pm
 
I don't profess to have any knowledge of the exact science / details.

But I definitely know that the cycles of the universe must have an influence on our weather. (it's all just part of nature)

I keep going back to the end of the ice age, the end of the coniferous era, the end of our inland sea era, the several mass extinctions in the past on earth etc., all of these had nothing to do with modern man at all, they happened as nature decreed, just as we are going through harsher periods now, because nature works like that.

That's it for me plain and simple, I also see the climate change hysteria is mainly pushed by the left of the political field, they are using natural weather cycles as a political football.

Indigo Jones is renowned for his long range weather forecasts, I believe he had it right.
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Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:47pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
I don't profess to have any knowledge of the exact science / details.

But I definitely know that the cycles of the universe must have an influence on our weather. (it's all just part of nature)

I keep going back to the end of the ice age, the end of the coniferous era, the end of our inland sea era, the several mass extinctions in the past on earth etc., all of these had nothing to do with modern man at all, they happened as nature decreed, just as we are going through harsher periods now, because nature works like that.

That's it for me plain and simple, I also see the climate change hysteria is mainly pushed by the left of the political field, they are using natural weather cycles as a political football.

Indigo Jones is renowned for his long range weather forecasts, I believe he had it right.



I see the main problem of our world is over population of humans.

We need to get the world population down to 500 million
or nature will do it for us in a very cruel way.
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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:46pm
 
What's that about half a billion Bobby?

That would mean a reduction of about eleven twelfths of us.

Impossible to imagine anyone giving the O.K. to some sort of scheme to bring us down to that level.

More common sense (based on actual common sense, not political agendas) is the answer, yes some countries have too many people birth control is badly needed, but look what happened in China with the one child policy, little girls were murdered or abandoned in the bush at birth, in India right now infant girls are murdered and left to die beside a jungle track.

Truth is a big part of the answer, all cultures are not the same, a lot of the worlds' people have to fast track themselves into the 21st century.

The loony leftard *blame whitey for everything* is solving nothing.

Educated whitey most probably is the best option for working out the answer to the problems we face.
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Reply #9 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 3:37pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 12:45pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 11:12am:
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From the dawn of time the Sun has always been the prime mover of weather,


Perhaps you can explain why Venus is hotter than Mercury even though it is further from the Sun.



You have heard of Pressure petal? Pressure and Temperature are directly proportional. And how does CO2 heat anything? It doesn't. The source of energy of Venus is the Sun. Unless there are unknown heat engines on Venus. Wink



As usual lee removes the original quote so that he can take my comments out of context.
You really are a pathetic debater lee

The original quote claimed that the sun was the prime mover of weather. My comments proves that it isn't.
Your comment does nothing to contradict this. 
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The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
As usual lee removes the original quote so that he can take my comments out of context.



The piece I quoted was an entire paragraph. It is not my fault you can't write concisely.

So tell us petal if what I wrote is not correct, why didn't you correct it?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
The original quote claimed that the sun was the prime mover of weather. My comments proves that it isn't.



It does nothing of the sort. It is the Sun that warms Venus. It is the same Sun that warms the earth. CO2 has no ability to generate heat.

It is the Sun that generates the various barometric pressures.

"Solar heat warms the huge air masses that comprise large and small weather systems."

https://history.nasa.gov/EP-177/ch3-5.html

And the rotation of the earth (Coriolis effect) that cause deflection in the wind system.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_currents/04currents1.html

NOTHING to do with CO2.
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Reply #11 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 4:35pm
 
moses wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 2:46pm:
What's that about half a billion Bobby?

That would mean a reduction of about eleven twelfths of us.

Impossible to imagine anyone giving the O.K. to some sort of scheme to bring us down to that level.

More common sense (based on actual common sense, not political agendas) is the answer, yes some countries have too many people birth control is badly needed, but look what happened in China with the one child policy, little girls were murdered or abandoned in the bush at birth, in India right now infant girls are murdered and left to die beside a jungle track.

Truth is a big part of the answer, all cultures are not the same, a lot of the worlds' people have to fast track themselves into the 21st century.

The loony leftard *blame whitey for everything* is solving nothing.

Educated whitey most probably is the best option for working out the answer to the problems we face.



We need to get the world population down to 500 million
or nature will do it for us in a very cruel way.

I am talking within 100 years.
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Reply #12 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 5:37pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 4:28pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
As usual lee removes the original quote so that he can take my comments out of context.



The piece I quoted was an entire paragraph. It is not my fault you can't write concisely.

So tell us petal if what I wrote is not correct, why didn't you correct it?

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
The original quote claimed that the sun was the prime mover of weather. My comments proves that it isn't.



It does nothing of the sort. It is the Sun that warms Venus. It is the same Sun that warms the earth. CO2 has no ability to generate heat.

It is the Sun that generates the various barometric pressures.

"Solar heat warms the huge air masses that comprise large and small weather systems."

https://history.nasa.gov/EP-177/ch3-5.html

And the rotation of the earth (Coriolis effect) that cause deflection in the wind system.

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/tutorial_currents/04currents1.html

NOTHING to do with CO2.


what rotation of Earth ?

Earth is flat
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Reply #13 - Nov 24th, 2019 at 6:11pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Nov 24th, 2019 at 5:37pm:
what rotation of Earth ?

Earth is flat



Only in climate models. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #14 - Nov 25th, 2019 at 10:47am
 
The Hand of God reaches down and directs Moses to inform the lied to people here of how our world really operates.

The Lord must be sick of the Greeny lying Frauds bilious spewing gross rubbish as the Lord knows the Greeny lying Frauds have a HIDDEN AGENDA - AGENDA 2030!!!!!

Down with the Greeny lying Frauds!!!!

And the poor old Balmy Uncle is angered and humiliated by the TRUTH which has exposed his Greeny lying fraud.
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