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HUGE! Dem Rep. Says He Will Vote NO on Impeachment, Reveals Other Dem Lawmakers “Quietly, Privately” Concerned About Schiff Show Trials (VIDEO)


by Cristina Laila November 17, 2019 298 Comments

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Democrat Rep. Jeff Van Drew (NJ) appeared on “Sunday Morning Futures” on Sunday and told host Maria Bartiromo that he would be voting “NO” on impeachment unless there is proof that Trump committed a high crime.

Congressman Van Drew voted against the impeachment resolution that denies President Trump due process and gives Adam Schiff sweeping powers to control witnesses and evidence.

Van Drew said that impeachment is a very serious thing and Schiff is disenfranchising millions upon millions of Americans who voted for Trump.

“Our Founding Fathers had vigorous debates of whether they would even allow impeachment in the Constitution — you don’t disenfranchise voters — millions upon millions of voters,” Van Drew said. “Voters choose their leaders in America.”

Maria Bartiromo then asked Rep. Van Drew if he is hearing concern from red-state Democrats about Schiff’s Soviet-style impeachment process.

“There is some discussion among some of them (Democrats) quietly, privately of concern certainly,” Van Drew said. “What I’m hearing out on the street from most people is they’re kinda tired, they’re kinda worn out, they’re kinda bored and they really wanna move on.”

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.@CongressmanJVD Dems losing their appetite for impeachment: “Voters choose their leaders in America. You don’t disenfranchise millions of voters!”

Dems are concerned about impeachment push. “I imagine I’ll be voting NO unless there’s something new”!
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Re: Dems want to Vote NO on Impeachment
Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm
 


Dem Rep Knocks Impeachment: “Voters Choose Their Leaders,” Dems Concerned About Impeachment Push
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 1:33pm
 
here is the democrat representative here on the telly ..

lets see what he says shall we ?



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Dems have already Voted NO on Impeachment
Reply #4 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:06pm
 
The dems are far from united on  Impeachment.

If you were to listen to the OzPolitic LeftTards, you would think they are unanimous.

Far from it.

The democ-rats have voted against impeachment not too long ago......Matter-in-factly, they voted against it a few times.


In Lopsided Vote, House kills Effort to Impeach Trump


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The House voted on Wednesday to table a resolution from Rep. Al Green, D-Texas, to impeach President Donald Trump over racist comments he made about four Democratic congresswomen of color, effectively killing the measure.

The vote — 332 to 95, with one lawmaker voting "present" — marked the first time the Democratic-controlled chamber had weighed in on impeachment, an issue that has created a widening schism within the party. Progressive newcomers and several 2020 candidates have pushed for impeachment proceedings, but the House leadership, including Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has been resistant.

All Republicans joined with 137 Democrats and the lone independent, Justin Amash, to table the resolution. Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., voted against killing the resolution, which his spokesperson said was because Nadler believed the House should have first sent it to his committee for consideration.....
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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:12pm
 
The only people who aren't united are the Republicans.

Nobody has taken charge and mounted a decent defence and make them all get behind it.  There are so many different excuses, each as stupid as the last.

Ukraine got the money so there was no bribery, Trump is too stupid to collude, If Trump wanted to collude he would have, this is a witchhunt by never trumpers, the whistleblower needs to testify so trump can face his accuser (even if that's not what a whistleblower is) etc etc.

Everyone is trying their own thing and it's not working for anyone else but the die-hard Trump supporters who don't care even if he's guilty. 

It's going to take more than them to save Trump now.
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:31pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
The only people who aren't united are the Republicans.

Nobody has taken charge and mounted a decent defence and make them all get behind it.  There are so many different excuses, each as stupid as the last.

Ukraine got the money so there was no bribery, Trump is too stupid to collude, If Trump wanted to collude he would have, this is a witchhunt by never trumpers, the whistleblower needs to testify so trump can face his accuser (even if that's not what a whistleblower is) etc etc.

Everyone is trying their own thing and it's not working for anyone else but the die-hard Trump supporters who don't care even if he's guilty. 

It's going to take more than them to save Trump now.


Oh Really????? ......

Go ahead....you find one vote regarding Impeachment in the House that the Republicans weren't firmly united against Impeachment.....just one vote Roo....just one.

Look hard & deep.....you won't find one, because the Republicans are strong & united.

Now, when the 'Articles of Impeachment' are passed by the hand of the demon-RATS, with a few defectors, but no Republicans, you tell us all how the dems are going to get 20 plus Republicans to side with them to remove the President with a Super Majority Vote.....

The dems are fighting a lost battle.....Nadler, Pelosi, & Schiff have all said independent of each other.........that unless the House vote to impeach is strongly bipartisan, removing the President will fail, & fail miserably.

The dems aren't remotely close......they have their majority & that's it.....not even a unanimous one.......some dems will defect to vote with the Republicans. 

Hell, the Republicans might even vote to ignore the Articles completely being the "Impeachment" was passed totally partisan, & a trial most probably won't even take place even take place.....the House demon-Rats control nothing in the Senate....the Republican Majority rules in the Senate...so a trial probably won't happen, regardless if the President is Impeached in the House!

Don't believe me......search it out for yourself.

The demon-RATS are fighting a battle they can never win.  Wink 



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Panther wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Oh Really????? http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gifhttp://www.33sm.ml/smileys/SunglassesBubblegum.gif

Go ahead....you find one vote regarding Impeachment in the House that the Republicans weren't firmly united against Impeachment.....just one vote Roo....just one.

Look hard & deep.....you won't find one, because the Republicans are strong & united.


They're obviously against the impeachment when it came to the vote in the house, but they're not united when it comes to trying to defend Trump in the public eye.  They can't defend him on the substance so they're going after the procedure, the investigators and the House members on the committee etc.

Nobody has said "Trump didn't do it", at least not under oath.

The closest we have is "Trump tried to do it, but he released the money and didn't get anything in return for it" or "Trump is not smart enough to bribe Ukraine into investigating the Bidens" etc.

They're all over the place.

And now they're focusing on a fart.  The desperation is obvious for all to see.

The most likely outcome is not Trump being removed from office, but it is still a possibility, no matter how sure of things you are.

Republicans have no loyalty to Trump, they have a loyalty to winning and getting paid. 

Once these hearings are over and the public case has been made, we'll then see how damning it is and how many republicans will risk their own seats for Trump.

Trump hates them almost as much as the Dems.  All it takes is one hint of a fellow republican putting Country before Trump and he turns on them.

He can't be trusted and is an ally only when forced to be.  There are more Republicans that would like to see Trump gone, so long as they get to keep their position at the trough than you think.
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SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Oh Really????? http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gifhttp://www.33sm.ml/smileys/SunglassesBubblegum.gif

Go ahead....you find one vote regarding Impeachment in the House that the Republicans weren't firmly united against Impeachment.....just one vote Roo....just one.

Look hard & deep.....you won't find one, because the Republicans are strong & united.


They're obviously against the impeachment when it came to the vote in the house, but they're not united when it comes to trying to defend Trump in the public eye. 
They can't defend him on the substance so they're going after the procedure, the investigators and the House members on the committee etc.

Nobody has said "Trump didn't do it", at least not under oath.

The closest we have is "Trump tried to do it, but he released the money and didn't get anything in return for it" or "Trump is not smart enough to bribe Ukraine into investigating the Bidens" etc.

They're all over the place.

And now they're focusing on a fart.  The desperation is obvious for all to see.

The most likely outcome is not Trump being removed from office, but it is still a possibility, no matter how sure of things you are.

Republicans have no loyalty to Trump, they have a loyalty to winning and getting paid. 

Once these hearings are over and the public case has been made, we'll then see how damning it is and how many republicans will risk their own seats for Trump.

Trump hates them almost as much as the Dems.  All it takes is one hint of a fellow republican putting Country before Trump and he turns on them.

He can't be trusted and is an ally only when forced to be.  There are more Republicans that would like to see Trump gone, so long as they get to keep their position at the trough than you think.


To oust the President, the House democ-RATS need a Super Majority in the Senate......67 of 100 Senatorial Votes.........the Republicans have a 53 vote majority to start with....hell, there are at least 3 democ-RAT US Senators that have said they will not vote to remove the President....so, failing that Constitutionally mandated Super-Majority vote, they don't need to sway public opinion at all.......& remember voting isn't mandatory in the USA......the Electors in the Electoral College elect the President of the United States....not a theoretical public opinion.....or a plurality of voters.

The USA isn't a Democracy, it's a Constitutional REPUBLIC, & the law according to the US Constitution determines the outcomes.....not a majority vote.
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Reply #9 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 4:40pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Panther wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Oh Really????? http://www.33sm.ml/smileys/chuckle002.gifhttp://www.33sm.ml/smileys/SunglassesBubblegum.gif

Go ahead....you find one vote regarding Impeachment in the House that the Republicans weren't firmly united against Impeachment.....just one vote Roo....just one.

Look hard & deep.....you won't find one, because the Republicans are strong & united.


They're obviously against the impeachment when it came to the vote in the house, but they're not united when it comes to trying to defend Trump in the public eye. 
They can't defend him on the substance so they're going after the procedure, the investigators and the House members on the committee etc.

Nobody has said "Trump didn't do it", at least not under oath.

The closest we have is "Trump tried to do it, but he released the money and didn't get anything in return for it" or "Trump is not smart enough to bribe Ukraine into investigating the Bidens" etc.

They're all over the place.

And now they're focusing on a fart.  The desperation is obvious for all to see.

The most likely outcome is not Trump being removed from office, but it is still a possibility, no matter how sure of things you are.

Republicans have no loyalty to Trump, they have a loyalty to winning and getting paid. 

Once these hearings are over and the public case has been made, we'll then see how damning it is and how many republicans will risk their own seats for Trump.

Trump hates them almost as much as the Dems.  All it takes is one hint of a fellow republican putting Country before Trump and he turns on them.

He can't be trusted and is an ally only when forced to be.  There are more Republicans that would like to see Trump gone, so long as they get to keep their position at the trough than you think.


To oust the President, the House democ-RATS need a Super Majority in the Senate......68 of 100 Senatorial Votes.........the Republicans have a 53 vote majority to start with....hell, there are at least 3 democ-RAT US Senators that have said they will not vote to remove the President....so, failing that Constitutionally mandated Super-Majority vote, they don't need to sway public opinion at all.......& remember voting isn't mandatory in the USA......the Electors in the Electoral College elect the President of the United States....not a theoretical public opinion.....or a plurality of voters.

The USA isn't a Democracy, it's a Constitutional REPUBLIC, & the law according to the US Constitution determines the outcomes.....not a majority vote.


I realise that, but if the Dems can prove their case well enough, no Republican will tether themselves to the sinking Trump ship, especially those in the seats that have been hurt the most by the Trump Presidency.

It wouldn't take them all to vote against him, assuming he doesn't step down before then.  Don't forget the greed of Trump, if his life long pension is at risk, he'll bail before being removed from office.

If he's voted out at an election, he'll fight it, because his pension isn't at risk, but impeachment, that's an entirely different story.
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Reply #10 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 4:42pm
 
It would be best to leave some of the charges for after he gets out of power so he can go to jail

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Primary Challenges Might Keep Republican Senators From Removing President Trump



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Much has been made about whether Republicans will ever cut ties with President Trump over his attempt to hold up military aid to Ukraine to get political dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden. And although there are some signs of the party breaking with Trump, one important reason why we haven’t seen GOP senators break with Trump en masse is because many are up for reelection — in total, there are 23 Republican-held seats up in 2020.

And in five of these races, Republicans face particularly tough reelection battles. Election forecasters have rated these races as the most competitive Senate contests in the 2020 cycle, and in each race, the partisan lean of their states is less than 10 points more Republican than the country as a whole. In fact, in the case of Maine and Colorado, they actually lean slightly Democratic. These senators are especially vulnerable in a general election if Trump’s standing declines, but they’re also in a position where they can’t afford to alienate their party’s base. (
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FiveThirtyEight’s partisan lean metric is the average difference between how a state votes and how the country votes overall, with 2016 presidential election results weighted at 50 percent, 2012 presidential election results weighted at 25 percent and results from elections for the state legislature weighted at 25 percent. Note that the partisan leans in this article were calculated before the 2018 elections; we haven’t calculated FiveThirtyEight partisan leans that incorporate the midterm results yet.

So a vote on whether to remove Trump from office could really complicate things for them, especially if the current timeline for a vote on impeachment holds. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell anticipates the House will vote by the end of the year, which means the Senate could vote in January or February, before the filing deadlines to mount a bid in most of these races have passed. This means many of these Republicans could find themselves facing a last-minute primary challenger if they voted to remove, making the electoral calculus of casting such a vote even more fraught with peril.

Granted, coming up with any scenario where 20 Republican senators vote to remove Trump from office — the minimum needed if all 47 Democrats voted in favor — is challenging to begin with, but it’s even harder if Sens. Susan Collins, Joni Ernst, Cory Gardner, Martha McSally and Thom Tillis are off the table because they fear a primary challenger.

And the threat of a primary challenger is a real concern. In fact, both McSally and Tillis already have one. Although the other three don’t currently have challengers, Collins could be especially vulnerable if she breaks with Trump — she’s the most moderate Republican in the Senate and has had lukewarm intraparty support in the past, though it improved markedly after she voted to confirm Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court last year. On the other hand, Gardner and Ernst have voted with Trump much more consistently than Collins, but a pro-removal vote would likely still tarnish them in the eyes of the party’s base.

To be sure, we don’t know how the impeachment saga will unfold, but the electoral ramifications on the GOP side are something to keep in mind. That’s because even if there is some movement in a pro-impeachment direction among Republican voters, there may still be some senators up in 2020 who fear the potential dangers of angering the party base and getting a serious primary challenge.


It's all about politics, not whether the Republicans like or dislike President Trump for any particular reason. They will never go up against their Party's base when they will probably be facing extremely difficult fights of their own in the 2020 Election Year. They'd rather let the electorate decide the President's fate, rather than making a choice that might just cut their political throats in the process, by removing a President that would jeopardize/alienate a vital block of voters that hold their political futures in their hands...



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Re: Dems want to Vote NO on Impeachment
Reply #12 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 7:20pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 4:42pm:
It would be best to leave some of the charges for after he gets out of power so he can go to jail

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Indeed.

Impeachment is political, and nothing is gonna come from this anyway.

If he's impeached, he certainly won't be removed from office.

I wanna see him face criminal charges after his term as the worst President ever is over.

Then I want to see him go to jail for the rest of his life.

It doesn't have to be a long sentence for that to happen - he's only got 4 or 5 years left in him, if that.

Although, the little Jewish princess, Beavis, and Butthead are hoping for something more like 1 or 2 years.


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Reply #13 - Nov 20th, 2019 at 9:53pm
 
Panther wrote on Nov 20th, 2019 at 7:14pm:
It's all about politics, not whether the Republicans like or dislike President Trump for any particular reason. They will never go up against their Party's base when they will probably be facing extremely difficult fights of their own in the 2020 Election Year.


That's my point.  Once the hearings are done, we'll see how the base reacts.

So far they're stupid enough to believe Fox News and the like's defences and attack on the process.

It may not last.  At some point the law matters, at some point the party and people of "patriots" will remember that being patriotic means putting country first, not party or even President.

We won't know which way the tide will go until the dust has settled.

For anyone not blinded by partisanship, it's obvious Trump is in a lot of trouble thanks to his actions.

But will the case be made to sway enough of his base?

I doubt it, but I hope so.  Trump has escaped accountability for far too long and his policies, the ones he doesn't fail to implement, are setting up the USA for a big fall.

Something needs to change.  Another 4 years of this and even his most ardent supporters will show up at his rallies just to boo him.
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