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Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:16am
 
and yet the LNP and co wants everyone to believe the exact opposite Sad

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/11-000-scientists-from-around-the-world-unite-to-dec...

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11,000 scientists from around the world unite to declare global climate emergency

More than 11,000 scientists from 153 countries have come together to declare a climate emergency and create a six-step plan to help humanity mitigate the effects of man-made global warming.

A group of 11,000 scientists from over 153 countries have formally declared a 'climate emergency' after analysing over forty years of global data.

The data showed immediate action needs to be taken to stop global warming or else widespread human suffering is likely to occur, they said.

The team of scientists, which included Australian Dr Thomas Newsome from the University of Sydney, analysed a range of measures - including surface area, population growth, fertility rates, carbon emissions and energy use - before they came to their declaration.

Dr Newsome is hopeful the report published on Wednesday in the journal BioScience will prompt a global response, particularly from governments who he believes have lacked initiative.

"There's been little movements globally in terms of tackling the issue of climate change and so our major goal was to really come up with a new and broad set of graphical indicators to illustrate both the impacts that the humans are having on the climate and also the negative feedback loops associated with climate change," Dr Newsome said.

The declaration not only warns of the dangers of climate change but provides six areas humanity should immediately act on if they want to mitigate the impacts of global warming, these being energy, short-lived pollutants, nature, food, economy and population.

Dr Newsome is confident with the right federal policy, global warming can be combatted.

"A clear policy that signals to the business community that they are going to act on climate change and a clear policy to the people that they are going to act on climate change in a way that is going to change the trajectory of these graphs both at a country level and a global level,” he said.

“I think they could also be encouraging individuals to change their individual behaviour to help meet those goals because lots of small steps will help meet those global goals as well."

‘The first step towards fixing a problem is admitting you've got a problem’
The declaration has been welcomed by Australian environmental advocacy groups and politicians alike.

Leader of the Greens Party Adam Bandt is hopeful federal parliament will follow in the footsteps of the thousands of scientists and finally declare a climate emergency in Australia before it is too late.

"We've got farmers who are suffering through record drought, we've got towns that have been told they might run out of water, we had parts of Australia start burning barely a couple of weeks out of winter, we are in a climate emergency and the first step towards fixing a problem is admitting you've got a problem,” Mr Bandt said.

“If the parliament follows the lead of the scientists and declares a climate emergency then we can refocus the whole of the countries efforts into stopping the climate crisis getting worse,” he said.

Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF) CEO Kelly O'Shanassay also wants to see the government address the climate emergency, as everyday Australians, not only scientists are calling for immediate climate action.

"Business is speaking up, the head of the defence force, celebrities around the world are speaking up, investors are speaking up, 300,000 students last month in the streets of Australia are speaking up,” Ms O’SHanassay said.

“Everyone is now saying that climate change is here: 'I can see it outside my window, I can see the drought, I can see the bleaching of the Great Barrier Reef'.”

“People are really worried about it and it is now pretty much everyone, from every walk of life is saying to our government please take action, because our lives depend on it," she said.
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Reply #1 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:18am
 
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‘How good is mining for Australia!’

https://sl.sbs.com.au/public/image/file/0d6f3447-85d5-432b-bcd2-05c3659af283

It looks unlikely the coalition will take immediate action with the declaration occurring just days after Prime Minister Scott Morrison reiterated his government's commitment to supporting Australia's mining industry as he believes it is integral to the nation’s economy and future.

"Nothing more clearly defines, I think, a Liberal-Nationals coalition government than our strong, full-throated support for traditional industries like mining. How good is mining for Australia,” he said.

The burning of coal, however, is one of the leading causes of global warming, a fact ACF CEO Kelly O’Shanassay warns the government cannot afford to continue to ignore.

"Science is very clear on it, they've been told that, yet our Prime Minister as Treasurer go's into parliament, holds up a lump of coal and his government are very keen to continue to build new coal mines and new coal plants,” Ms O’Shanassay said.

“This is very, very dangerous for our future, especially when we've got the renewable energy that we can build now, that is cheaper now, that is reliable now.”

“This is not a choice between the environment and jobs - we can actually have electricity, we can have the jobs that they all produce but from renewable sources," she said.


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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:22am
 
Hi Nail,
This should be in the Environment forum.

If CO2 is the cause then the real problem
is over population.
How can we stop men from putting it in?
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 10:19am
 
I agree that Climate Change is an issue. However, if we indeed had a climate emergency, the IPCC would've mentioned it years ago based on their accumulation of data over the last 40 years. This "Climate Emergency" is being driven by a bunch of fear mongering hippie wannabes and a sixteen year old sook! All they're doing are playing into the hands of the Natural Gas and Mining Industries, who stand to benefit the most through large scale renewable energy development.

Geoengineering would be your best and most affordable way to stop Climate Change tomorrow if everyone was serious about stopping it.
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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Geothermal energy  has hardly
been looked at in the world.
If you drill down deep enough the
temperatures can easily be over
500 degrees Celsius anywhere
on the planet.
In fact the interior of Earth is
hotter than the surface of the sun.
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 11:46am
 
Those 11,000 scientists are not all climate scientists. remember it was they who said only climate scientists should pontificate on climate.

And the CO2 theory is just that. The world use of fossil fuels burgeoned from the 1940's to the 1970's. And what happened? There was a fear the earth was tring a new ice age as temperatures cooled.

Now without fossil fuel remember that to mine, refine ores you can't rely on batteries.

A single 1.8-MW onshore wind turbine requires over 1,000 tons of steel, copper, aluminum, rare earth elements, zinc, molybdenum, petroleum-based composites, reinforced concrete and other raw materials.

And solar panels require silica for the glass and semiconductors.
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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2019 at 3:21pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:22am:
How can we stop men from putting it in?


Men "putting it in" isn't the problem. Wink
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Reply #7 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 2:18pm
 
minarchist wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
I agree that Climate Change is an issue. However, if we indeed had a climate emergency, the IPCC would've mentioned it years ago based on their accumulation of data over the last 40 years. This "Climate Emergency" is being driven by a bunch of fear mongering hippie wannabes and a sixteen year old sook! All they're doing are playing into the hands of the Natural Gas and Mining Industries, who stand to benefit the most through large scale renewable energy development.

Geoengineering would be your best and most affordable way to stop Climate Change tomorrow if everyone was serious about stopping it.


so where actually is this "large scale renewable energy development" ??

If I can charge up an electric vehicle from my own rooftop PV system WTF do I care about some big oil conspiracy trying to rip me off on my energy needs ? I'm just not going to buy anything from them period when I can create it myself in my own backyard Cheesy LOL






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Reply #8 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 2:57pm
 

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Reply #9 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:10pm
 
Hey I agree................... Smiley

Lets clean up pollution

Lets stop deforestation

Lets clean the plastic in the oceans

Lets convert to green energy making it cheap for everyone

Lets stop corporations from polluting creeks, rivers and oceans

Lets re-cycle

Lets do everything to remedy what man has been doing to the environment for years

But don't try and seel me a quick one by saying that mans emissions of CO2 are the net cause of climate change.

In other words don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Or that a carbon derivatives market will save us, just keep on polluting but now you pay, yeah sure that is the antidote for sure.

Climate change has and will always happen, man cannot stop it or control it.

All these activist are just brain washed sheeple.



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Reply #10 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:22am:
Hi Nail,
This should be in the Environment forum.

If CO2 is the cause then the real problem
is over population.
How can we stop men from putting it in?


Don't wish too hard.

The UN might tell all women to shut up shop.

Then what will you do....???
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Reply #11 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:12pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 9:22am:
Hi Nail,
This should be in the Environment forum.

If CO2 is the cause then the real problem
is over population.
How can we stop men from putting it in?


Don't wish too hard.

The UN might tell all women to shut up shop.

Then what will you do....???



If we don't do something to stop the population explosion
then nature will do it for us -
but in a very cruel way.
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Reply #12 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
Ajax wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:10pm:
Hey I agree................... Smiley

Lets clean up pollution

Lets stop deforestation

Lets clean the plastic in the oceans

Lets convert to green energy making it cheap for everyone

Lets stop corporations from polluting creeks, rivers and oceans

Lets re-cycle

Lets do everything to remedy what man has been doing to the environment for years

But don't try and seel me a quick one by saying that mans emissions of CO2 are the net cause of climate change.

In other words don't piss down my back and tell me its raining.

Or that a carbon derivatives market will save us, just keep on polluting but now you pay, yeah sure that is the antidote for sure.

Climate change has and will always happen, man cannot stop it or control it.

All these activist are just brain washed sheeple.





Half the CO2 in the atmosphere is attributable to human activity. Ignoring or denying it won't make it go away or fix the underlying problems.
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From their manifesto -

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Energy. Implement massive conservation practices; replace fossil fuels with clean renewables; leave remaining stocks of fossil fuels in the ground; eliminate subsidies to fossil fuel companies; and impose carbon fees that are high enough to restrain the use of fossil fuels.


Except of course renewables are neither "clean" nor "green". From child labor in the Congo for the cobalt to the mess in China for the neodymium.

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Short-lived pollutants. Swiftly cut emissions of methane, hydrofluorocarbons, soot and other short-lived climate pollutants. This has the potential to reduce the short-term warming trend by more than 50 percent over the next few decades.


Now all we have to do is find a way to stop the termites and the mangroves emitting the dreaded methane.

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Nature. Restrain massive land clearing. Restore and protect ecosystems such as forests, grasslands and mangroves, which would greatly contribute to the sequestration of atmospheric carbon dioxide, a key greenhouse gas.


So mangroves are good despite the methane emissions.

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Food. Eat mostly plants and consume fewer animal products. This dietary shift would significantly reduce emissions of methane and other greenhouse gases and free up agricultural lands for growing human food rather than livestock feed. Reducing food waste is also critical – the scientists say at least one-third of all food produced ends up as garbage.


Animal products - eggs,dairy foods. Roll Eyes

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Economy. Convert the economy’s reliance on carbon fuels to address human dependence on the biosphere. Shift goals away from the growth of gross domestic product and the pursuit of affluence. Curtail the extraction of materials and exploitation of ecosystems to maintain long-term biosphere sustainability.


So those Congolese kids should not aspire to anything better; nor the Chinese. Australians should forego their wage rises.

And of course no more metals for wind generators, solar panels, batteries.

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Population. Stabilise global population, which is increasing by more than 200,000 people a day, using approaches that ensure social and economic justice.


And this social and economic justice will be determined by whom?

And apparently Professor Mickey Mouse and Professor Dumbledore appeared as signatories.

They also don't define "uninhabitable", what temperature is "cold" or "hot". The fact none of the 11,000 helped write or review the IPCC reports certainly doesn't add any credence. But they did manage to get the facts wrong using the IPCC. Mistaking "Carbon taxes" with "Carbon prices"  and others.
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Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:22pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Half the CO2 in the atmosphere is attributable to human activity. Ignoring or denying it won't make it go away or fix the underlying problems.



And of course you have a reference for that? Grin Grin Grin Grin
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https://skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions.htm


Human CO2 is a tiny % of CO2 emissions

“The oceans contain 37,400 billion tons (GT) of suspended carbon, land biomass has 2000-3000 GT. The atmosphere contains 720 billion tons of CO2 and humans contribute only 6 GT additional load on this balance. The oceans, land and atmosphere exchange CO2 continuously so the additional load by humans is incredibly small. A small shift in the balance between oceans and air would cause a CO2 much more severe rise than anything we could produce.” (Jeff Id)

Before the industrial revolution, the CO2 content in the air remained quite steady for thousands of years. Natural CO2 is not static, however. It is generated by natural processes, and absorbed by others.

As you can see in Figure 1, natural land and ocean carbon remains roughly in balance and have done so for a long time – and we know this because we can measure historic levels of CO2 in the atmosphere both directly (in ice cores) and indirectly (through proxies).

Figure 1: Global carbon cycle. Numbers represent flux of carbon dioxide in gigatons (Source: Figure 7.3, IPCC AR4).

But consider what happens when more CO2 is released from outside of the natural carbon cycle – by burning fossil fuels. Although our output of 29 gigatons of CO2 is tiny compared to the 750 gigatons moving through the carbon cycle each year, it adds up because the land and ocean cannot absorb all of the extra CO2. About 40% of this additional CO2 is absorbed. The rest remains in the atmosphere, and as a consequence, atmospheric CO2 is at its highest level in 15 to 20 million years (Tripati 2009). (A natural change of 100ppm normally takes 5,000 to 20,000 years. The recent increase of 100ppm has taken just 120 years).

Human CO2 emissions upset the natural balance of the carbon cycle. Man-made CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by a third since the pre-industrial era, creating an artificial forcing of global temperatures which is warming the planet. While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2.

The level of atmospheric CO2 is building up, the additional CO2 is being produced by burning fossil fuels, and that build up is accelerating.
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Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:31pm
 
Heaven forbid that we have to charge up our electric cars from our own rooftop solar. Heaven forbid that we no longer have to take it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser and get ripped off on service and parts for our old polluting clunkers. Heaven forbid Cheesy LOL
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lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:22pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Half the CO2 in the atmosphere is attributable to human activity. Ignoring or denying it won't make it go away or fix the underlying problems.



And of course you have a reference for that? Grin Grin Grin Grin


so setting fire to fossil fools does not create 1 additional ounce of CO2 emissions Cheesy LOL
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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
so setting fire to fossil fools does not create 1 additional ounce of CO2 emissions


Trying to worm your way out of what you said by changing the subject? Oh dear.

So you don't have a reference for "Half the CO2 in the atmosphere is attributable to human activity"?  Typical. Wink
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lee wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 4:32pm:
so setting fire to fossil fools does not create 1 additional ounce of CO2 emissions


Trying to worm your way out of what you said by changing the subject? Oh dear.

So you don't have a reference for "Half the CO2 in the atmosphere is attributable to human activity"?  Typical. Wink


Do you ?
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Reply #21 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 12:19pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 9:49am:
Do you ?


It is not for me to provide any type of confirmation of your assertions.

However, I have seen a paper that says that. so I looked at it.

" Although approximately one-half of total CO2 emissions is at present taken up by combined land and ocean carbon reservoirs2, models predict a decline in future carbon uptake by these reservoirs, resulting in a positive carbon–climate feedback3.."

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11299
Now note 2 reference is to "Recent patterns and mechanisms of carbon exchange by terrestrial ecosystems"

https://www.nature.com/articles/35102500#citeas

or

http://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1038/35102500

Note they are all derived from models, in fact they have a consensus of models. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #23 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 4:36pm
 
CN, So where did you find a claim that CO2 hadn't increased?
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Reply #24 - Nov 10th, 2019 at 11:07pm
 
I should have said that human contribution is increasing CO2 by 73% a year Wink

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The CO2 that nature emits (from the ocean and vegetation) is balanced by natural absorptions (again by the ocean and vegetation). Therefore human emissions upset the natural balance, rising CO2 to levels not seen in at least 800,000 years. In fact, human emit 26 gigatonnes of CO2 per year while CO2 in the atmosphere is rising by only 15 gigatonnes per year - much of human CO2 emissions is being absorbed by natural sinks.


https://skepticalscience.com/human-co2-smaller-than-natural-emissions-intermedia...
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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 10th, 2019 at 11:07pm:
I should have said that human contribution is increasing CO2 by 73% a year



Really?. Nowhere in your statement reflects that. So if CO2 goes from 410ppm to 412ppm it is a 73% increase? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

From your "reference" -

"Manmade CO2 emissions are much smaller than natural emissions. Consumption of vegetation by animals & microbes accounts for about 220 gigatonnes of CO2 per year. Respiration by vegetation emits around 220 gigatonnes. The ocean releases about 332 gigatonnes. In contrast, when you combine the effect of fossil fuel burning and changes in land use, human CO2 emissions are only around 29 gigatonnes per year."

So we have 772Gt of natural CO2 and about 29Gt of human emissions according to your source which is undated and 32Gt emissions in 2008 which is updated at the bottom.

33.1Gt in 2018. So that is a 3% increase in 10 years.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-26/global-carbon-emissions-hit-record-high-i...

Do you want to try again?

BTW those estimates for natural emissions are just that, estimations.
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I would have settled on approx. 60% increase due to human activity.

Given the rise from pre-industrial revolution values of atmospheric CO2 ppm to today.



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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 1:58pm:
I would have settled on approx. 60% increase due to human activity.

Given the rise from pre-industrial revolution values of atmospheric CO2 ppm to today.






Even though plant stomata data seems to show those pre-industrial levels unreliable..
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I suppose if we take the ice core data as being a pretty good measure, then overall, atmospheric CO2 ppm are up about 35% to 40% since pre-industrial Revolution times.  Shocked

That's a lot!

Even worse, the increase is exponential, not linear.  Sad



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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:23pm:
I suppose if we take the ice core data as being a pretty good measure, then overall, atmospheric CO2 ppm are up about 35% to 40% since pre-industrial Revolution times.



There are problems with the ice core data because of losses in the firn.

Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 2:23pm:
Even worse, the increase is exponential, not linear.


The increase is not exponential.

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The effect is diminishing exponentially not increasing exponentially. Most of any warming is in the first 200ppm.

"Equilibrium GCM 2 x CO2 experiments commonly assume a radiative forcing equivalent to a doubling of CO2 concentration (for example from 300 ppmv to 600 ppmv). In fact the absolute concentrations are not especially important, as the temperature response to increasing CO2 concentration is logarithmic - a doubling from 500 to 1000 ppmv would have approximately the same climatic effect."

https://www.ipcc-data.org/guidelines/pages/reporting.html

So a 1.5c per doubling 300ppm to 600ppm would give the approximately same amount of warming from 500ppm to 1000ppm. Or roughly the same amount of warming per doubling.
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It is a parabolic curve.

Try again. Wink
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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
It is a parabolic curve.


Reference?
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Reply #32 - Nov 11th, 2019 at 4:04pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 3:38pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
It is a parabolic curve.


Reference?


Look at it.  Wink

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The red line below is linear, the blue and green lines are exponential curves:

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Captain Nemo wrote on Nov 11th, 2019 at 4:04pm:
Look at it.  Wink


That isn't a reference or a testament to your eyesight. You do understand "reference" don't you?

Pretty much a straight line since the 1990's. Wink

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NASA has employed 11,000 Scientists to con the public into giving their Money to NASA as Scientists tell the world -
"It's stuffed!"

Now NASA can profit in sending people to MARS like a brave New World that can be exploited.

Scientists Stuffed the World with their inventions of technology  like Radiation & Pollution.
Now they hope to get paid again saying
"We can fix it!"


Roll Eyes What an absolute wank!
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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
minarchist wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
I agree that Climate Change is an issue. However, if we indeed had a climate emergency, the IPCC would've mentioned it years ago based on their accumulation of data over the last 40 years. This "Climate Emergency" is being driven by a bunch of fear mongering hippie wannabes and a sixteen year old sook! All they're doing are playing into the hands of the Natural Gas and Mining Industries, who stand to benefit the most through large scale renewable energy development.

Geoengineering would be your best and most affordable way to stop Climate Change tomorrow if everyone was serious about stopping it.


so where actually is this "large scale renewable energy development" ??

If I can charge up an electric vehicle from my own rooftop PV system WTF do I care about some big oil conspiracy trying to rip me off on my energy needs ? I'm just not going to buy anything from them period when I can create it myself in my own backyard Cheesy LOL








Not everyone has the ability to spend tens of thousands of dollars to be self sufficient with their electricity supply, let alone buy an electric vehicle.
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Reply #36 - Nov 12th, 2019 at 2:31pm
 
I have always been a Climate Realist
In other words I believe whatever is going on whatever the cause real or imagined.....no one will be willing to change it

The more reading I do the more I am inclined to be a Climate Denier

Just like the Rats of Tobrook appropriated the derogatory term they were labeled

I think in the future being a Climate Denier will be the winning ticket
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Reply #37 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:32am
 
miketrees wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
I have always been a Climate Realist
In other words I believe whatever is going on whatever the cause real or imagined.....no one will be willing to change it

The more reading I do the more I am inclined to be a Climate Denier

Just like the Rats of Tobrook appropriated the derogatory term they were labeled

I think in the future being a Climate Denier will be the winning ticket


It depends on your goal.

The economic argument alone is enough to avoid being a denier.

It's ok to be a denier if you're not interested in trying to profit from going green.

Again, from a purely economic viewpoint.
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Reply #38 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:32am:
The economic argument alone is enough to avoid being a denier.



Subsidies will help that along alright. Good for investors while it lasts. Wink

Once you factor in the "cheap" renewables and then factor in the required battery backup?

SA $90 million for 100Mw of battery power. 30 houses for one hour.How many minutes for 767,000 houses?
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Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore were two of the noted signatories.....

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Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore were two of the noted signatories.....

https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/mikey-mouse-sig...


I wonder if there is a Dr DoLittle among them.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore were two of the noted signatories.....

https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/mikey-mouse-sig...


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Reply #42 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 9:55pm
 
minarchist wrote on Nov 12th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 9th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
minarchist wrote on Nov 6th, 2019 at 10:19am:
I agree that Climate Change is an issue. However, if we indeed had a climate emergency, the IPCC would've mentioned it years ago based on their accumulation of data over the last 40 years. This "Climate Emergency" is being driven by a bunch of fear mongering hippie wannabes and a sixteen year old sook! All they're doing are playing into the hands of the Natural Gas and Mining Industries, who stand to benefit the most through large scale renewable energy development.

Geoengineering would be your best and most affordable way to stop Climate Change tomorrow if everyone was serious about stopping it.


so where actually is this "large scale renewable energy development" ??

If I can charge up an electric vehicle from my own rooftop PV system WTF do I care about some big oil conspiracy trying to rip me off on my energy needs ? I'm just not going to buy anything from them period when I can create it myself in my own backyard Cheesy LOL








Not everyone has the ability to spend tens of thousands of dollars to be self sufficient with their electricity supply, let alone buy an electric vehicle.


Even without being self sufficient a rooftop solar PV system is still way better than taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser Wink
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Reply #43 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 9:56pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore were two of the noted signatories.....

https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/mikey-mouse-sig...


Only two out of 11,000 ? Is that all Cheesy LOL
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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 9:56pm:
Only two out of 11,000 ? Is that all


"A statement issued by ­Oregon State University said “an administrative error unfortunately saw the inclusion of a small number of invalid names”."


I guess that's what happens when you ask people to sign a petition on line. 2,500 students apparently also qualified as "scientists". Wink

And of course NOT CLIMATE scientists.
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Reply #45 - Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:39pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 9:56pm:
Only two out of 11,000 ? Is that all


"A statement issued by ­Oregon State University said “an administrative error unfortunately saw the inclusion of a small number of invalid names”."


I guess that's what happens when you ask people to sign a petition on line. 2,500 students apparently also qualified as "scientists". Wink

And of course NOT CLIMATE scientists.


as opposed to LNP supporters who study the Herald Sun and get their scientific qualifications out of a cornflakes packet Cheesy LOL
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Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:39pm:
as opposed to LNP supporters who study the Herald Sun and get their scientific qualifications out of a cornflakes packet



You know far more about the Herald Sun than me. Go figure. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW- Here is a link to the signatories. Just do a CONTROL "F", type in student and see the results.

https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/backfile/Content_public/Journal/bioscience/P...
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Reply #47 - Nov 14th, 2019 at 10:01am
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:39pm:
as opposed to LNP supporters who study the Herald Sun and get their scientific qualifications out of a cornflakes packet



You know far more about the Herald Sun than me. Go figure. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

BTW- Here is a link to the signatories. Just do a CONTROL "F", type in student and see the results.

https://oup.silverchair-cdn.com/oup/backfile/Content_public/Journal/bioscience/P...


That's because it's full of people who write sh.t like you do Cheesy LOL

And who has more credibility ? Students or dumbarse LNP supporters who's only retort is "I don't believe in climate change"? Cheesy LOL
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Reply #48 - Nov 14th, 2019 at 12:01pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 14th, 2019 at 10:01am:
And who has more credibility ? Students or dumbarse LNP supporters who's only retort is "I don't believe in climate change"?



Wow. How many things do you get wrong?

Who has more credibility? A first year student or as claimed 11,000 "scientists".

I don't know of anyone who says ""I don't believe in climate change".

You do like to make schist up don't you? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #49 - Nov 14th, 2019 at 5:57pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 9:56pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 13th, 2019 at 6:00pm:
Mickey Mouse and Dumbledore were two of the noted signatories.....

https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/mikey-mouse-sig...


Only two out of 11,000 ? Is that all Cheesy LOL



They are the OBVIOUS ones, Minnie.  Do you know who the others are? How credible is a list of scientists that includes Dumbledore and your husband Mickey?


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