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Reply #15 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Doughnut Puncher. Grin

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

It's disgusting.

According to whom, Bobby? The ADF has had gays in it's ranks (openly) now for approximate 25 years. Before that, they were hidden but they existed. I knew several of them when I was in the Army. Their superiors knew they were Gay. As long as they did their job (and kept their homosexuality hidden) they were ignored. They were good soldiers. Roll Eyes

What if 2 of them were found out in the field
bum chumming each other?

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Reply #16 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:41pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:32pm:

a tad more impressive then the mardi gras

And we think we can fight them?

We have, in the past. Look up the Battle of Kapyong, Battle of Chuam-ni and the Battle of Maryang-san for just three examples from the Korean War, Bobby. You need educatin' Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Doughnut Puncher. Grin

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

It's disgusting.

According to whom, Bobby? The ADF has had gays in it's ranks (openly) now for approximate 25 years. Before that, they were hidden but they existed. I knew several of them when I was in the Army. Their superiors knew they were Gay. As long as they did their job (and kept their homosexuality hidden) they were ignored. They were good soldiers. Roll Eyes

What if 2 of them were found out in the field
bum chumming each other?

They weren't, Bobby. If they were, they would be disciplined and discharged from the Army.

Nowadays, they would be just disciplined.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 112065 Melbourne Gender:	Re: ADF in disgrace Reply #18 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:45pm Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:43pm: They weren't, Bobby. If they were, they would be disciplined and discharged from the Army. Nowadays, they would be just disciplined. Yuck - in WW1 they would have been put before the firing squad.
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Re: ADF in disgrace
Reply #19 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:08pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:32pm:

a tad more impressive then the mardi gras

And we think we can fight them?

We have, in the past. Look up the Battle of Kapyong, Battle of Chuam-ni and the Battle of Maryang-san for just three examples from the Korean War, Bobby. You need educatin' Roll Eyes

They are not little boys running around in pyjamas now -
they are a full on modern army to be feared.

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Reply #20 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Citizen Initiated Referenda?

It is not law in Australia. The last time it was introduced into the Senate at the federal level was in 2013. It lapsed. It was not passed or even voted on.

The problem with attacking the ADF because it has decided to adhere to what it's Government instructions are is that it misses the point. The ADF is required by law to undertake what it has been told to do. Blame the Government(s) by all means but don't blame the ADF for doing as it's told. Roll Eyes

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The ADF should be reflective of the society that it defends. Society has decided there is nothing wrong with Gays serving in the ADF. When I served, there were known Gay soldiers - their Gayness was ignored by their superiors as long as they did their job - as it should be. It does not prevent soldiers from being soldiers or airpeople from being airpeople or sailors from being sailors. The homopbobia displayed is a problem for the homophobes. They are the ones who have to get with the message. Ditto for misogyny and Racism and Sectarianism. They are all problems for the holders of those views, not for their victims. Roll Eyes

Ah - I see - so the apolitical military must now be political as instructed by their political masters.... do you see the very real danger here?

When the higher positions in the ADF became contracted ...... a position full of sweeteners .... with the chance of a G-G spot later for playing the game as directed .....

(I'll let that hang in the air for a while... see if you can draw the conclusions I've been hounding you all about for ages now...)

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Reply #21 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

Ummm - YES!

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Reply #22 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:11pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Donut Puncher. Grin

You serious? Some SAS guys don't even wear tattoos... get a life ... and best is as best does in any race for a certain grade of horse... many Infos and Commandoes are excellent at their work... so are some cooks.. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Doughnut Puncher. Grin

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

It's disgusting.

According to whom, Bobby? The ADF has had gays in it's ranks (openly) now for approximate 25 years. Before that, they were hidden but they existed. I knew several of them when I was in the Army. Their superiors knew they were Gay. As long as they did their job (and kept their homosexuality hidden) they were ignored. They were good soldiers. Roll Eyes

What if 2 of them were found out in the field
bum chumming each other?

They weren't, Bobby. If they were, they would be disciplined and discharged from the Army.

Nowadays, they would be just disciplined.

Traditions of the ADF? Why ..... Rum, Buggery.. and Madame Lash for Discipline (ooooh - you brute... sorry.. brutess...)!! (ha-rumph)...

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Reply #24 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 9:02pm:

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Doughnut Puncher. Grin

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

It's disgusting.

So, you want 45% of straight men and women excluded from the military?

Ask gregpec ... oh... sorry.. you ARE gregpec....

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Reply #25 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:22pm

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:43pm:

Under the 'Presets' strategy.
Going to war against China will be like rolling a bowling ball against skittles as Australians will have to fight 10/1 for a good batting strike rate.
Shoot one, kill 10. Australian's will attack the Chinese Army like Sharks to a Baitball, while everyone gets their dibs in.
All tanks, planes, ships and vehicles will breakdown after just a year's use by China. Cheaply made like the lowest grade of quality.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+presets+my+people&&view=detail&mid=A339...

We will not engage them mano a mano, mano... we will play a game of strategy, and first remove their air cover including their carrier(s), then their ability to move in the battlesphere.... we'll lock them up while the Viets etc herd them into a clearly defined area ...then we'll bomb them back into the Dark Ages where they'll think Genghis Khan (not 'Genghis' from 5RAR) was a moderate...

Meanwhile their capitalist leadership will be crying rivers of blood over the cost, and will be screaming and tearing their hair out over the lost money from trade lost.... and it will be over in 4-6 weeks.... without engaging a single foot solder and exposing same to risk..

That's the plan anyway....

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Reply #26 - Oct 29^th, 2019 at 11:28pm

Anzacs were murdered at Gallipoli by the monarchy

so thats called genocide .. thats what many call a disgrace

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What happened at Gallipoli?
The campaign began with a failed naval attack by British and French ships on the Dardanelles Straits in February-March 1915 and continued with a major land invasion of the Gallipoli Peninsula on April 25, involving British and French troops as well as divisions of the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (ANZAC).Nov 9, 200

Anzacs were sacrificed by the monarchy so keep singing god save the queen for that beauty while the shirtlifters invade the ADF ranks

Gallipoli (1981) w/ Mel Gibson and Marc Lee: the final and tragic scene

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Reply #27 - Oct 30^th, 2019 at 8:51am

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 3:12pm:

Thank God for Trump. He is definitely NOT Politically Correct.
Hopefully more Trumpism will spread out to Australia and infiltrate the ADF - where digging a trench means calling a Spade a Spade, not a Spade a 'technologically advanced digging _________________' (can't use the last word as it is no longer a 'correct' word and is offensive to all the Ant Experts and Amateur enthusiasts of the World).

Politically Correctness is where Politics shoots itself in the foot, like arming a lot of non-Military amateurs with guns and because there is no 'War' against an enemy - these 'armed amateurs' are now shooting 'anyone' in their own country. This is what happens when the Jews ended up arming the Moslems against the world, by their own inaction to take responsibility themselves.
As Politics & Military in North America are an act of 'Personal Empowerment' for the top Position (President, General-etc)
- all else becomes weaker and more 'corrupt' and 'wrong' the further things get from these two top positions. So having a bunch of Amateurs being armed - you know its just plain wrong at it will blow up in their faces! Roll Eyes

Australian Military (and Politics) are the reverse (culturally 'backwards' myth cliche) - in that the 'Empowerment' (and what is respected by other regions) here is in with the lowest rank, in other words - the Highest Rank in the ADF is 'Wrong' and the 40,000 Privates are 'Right'.
It's right up there with Women in Sport doing a more 'empowered' job of it by being 'Professional', unlike the Men who are not.

Don't expect the ADF to 'work properly' at the highest ranking admin level, especially in the face of competing against the UK & USA away from 'dependency' on the orders of these two. Much like the Gov-General serves the UK, the PM serves the USA (Like a ScoMo 'grovel' $$).

Put your faith and effort behind the low ranking troops of the ADF. Both the Military and Political industries will 'fall' here in Australia if the bonds of the UK are cut (by the UK) and the bonds of the USA are denied (by the USA).
The dumbing down and destruction of the Australian Military will fall into the 'Privatised' Man with a Gun, let alone 'Councillor of Law' in your local Shire. Australia will be all the more safer for it.

Don't worry, other industries besides Politics and Military will lead this country to great wealth through the hands of just 'One' Person in the highest of positions and jobs.

Religion - an Australian Religion will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes of the Military and an Art Giant will show the world the 'truth' of the matter here, in this country.

The same BS has been going on in the Yank Military.

Even the most noted ex-miltary transgender Cate McGreggor says the frontline is no place for females.

https://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/retired-transgender-military-officer-...

Here's some of the boys at the International Military Conference in the US. Grin

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Reply #28 - Oct 30^th, 2019 at 8:59am

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

Then obviously you didn't follow the gist of the statement.

A lowering of fitness & eligibility standards & the over emphasis on pandering to diversity.

Opening judicial inquiries on rumours/gossip & heresay.

That is not the role of a strong functional ADF.

It's shouldn't be full of flowers like you.

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Reply #29 - Oct 30^th, 2019 at 9:01am

Jasin wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 8:15pm:

Bobby. wrote on Oct 29^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

You can't have doughnut punchers in the military.

Why not, Bobby?

They have served since Federation with the Australian services, hidden from view. Since 1996, they have served in the ADF openly. I hadn't noticed a collapse of the ADF since then, have you? Roll Eyes

The SPARTANS were all Donut Punchers and in the end, the 300 of them got punched from the rear by Persians. In those days, the Hot Gates were found at the arse end of the world.

SAS 'elitists' consider themselves 'spartans'. So you see - the 'best' Australian soldier is a Donut Puncher. Grin

I'd imagine you wouldn't have the balls to actually call one that. Roll Eyes

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