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Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:27am
 
"Leading economies such as Japan and Australia will not be invited to speak at next week’s crunch UN climate change summit, as their continued support for coal clashes with the demands of the organisation’s secretary-general as he sounds the alarm on climate change."

"Also excluded will be the US, which has said it intends to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement, as well as Brazil and Saudi Arabia, which have criticised the climate pact.

Only the boldest and most transformative actions [will] make the stage,” said Amina Mohammed, UN deputy secretary-general, on Wednesday. “We will see on Monday who is stepping up.”

"However some coal-loving countries such as China and India, the world’s two biggest builders of new coal stations, will still speak at the summit, according to the draft agenda."

https://www.ft.com/content/1902158a-d994-11e9-8f9b-77216ebe1f17

It will include those transformative countries that are building ever more coal fired plant. Roll Eyes
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Reply #1 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 11:56am
 
A bag of coal for denizen lee's thoughts. Do you give change?
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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 9:02am
 
paywall.lee.....the good old UN  never been know to fix a bloody thing... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

so it appears its the seller of coal and not the buyer of coal that is the problem... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes who would have thought!
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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 11:42am
 
"The United Nations has barred several nations, including Australia, from speaking at the UN climate summit in New York next week, despite some of the world’s biggest polluters being invited to speak.

Japan, the US and South Africa are also among the nations who have been banned from the stage, but China and India, two of the world’s largest emitters of carbon, will speak."

https://www.3aw.com.au/un-bars-australia-from-stage-at-climate-summit-china-and-i...

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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:15pm
 
it's a climate change summit. why would you invite people who are in denial.

would you invite a vegan to speak at a butchers conference? Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm
 
John Smith wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:15pm:
it's a climate change summit. why would you invite people who are in denial.



So they invite two of the biggest polluters, who are building more coal fired power plants; onto the podium.

Of course they are not in denial, they merely want the best of both worlds.

That's not hypocritical at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:36pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:15pm:
it's a climate change summit. why would you invite people who are in denial.



So they invite two of the biggest polluters, who are building more coal fired power plants; onto the podium.

Of course they are not in denial, they merely want the best of both worlds.

That's not hypocritical at all. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Those polluters have active policies to reduce emissions.

I'd say there's your reason why, dear.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Those polluters have active policies to reduce emissions.


By building more coal fired plant; while we are not building coal fired plant. You do understand burning coal increases emissions, old plants are generally too expensive to modify. No CCS is even close to 100% efficient.  And then there are the unknowables. Lake Nyos comes to mind, although not CCS, it shows what can happen.
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Reply #8 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:18pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 12:33pm:
So they invite two of the biggest polluters, who are building more coal fired power plants; onto the podium.



those polluters are also doing more to switch to renewables than most other countries. Never mind the fact that they're not in denial about the facts
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Reply #9 - Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 3:37pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 2:36pm:
Those polluters have active policies to reduce emissions.


By building more coal fired plant; while we are not building coal fired plant. You do understand burning coal increases emissions, old plants are generally too expensive to modify. No CCS is even close to 100% efficient.  And then there are the unknowables. Lake Nyos comes to mind, although not CCS, it shows what can happen.


That's right. Do you disagree that that's the reason for them being invited to participate?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:21pm:
That's right. Do you disagree that that's the reason for them being invited to participate?


Which is right petal? Their right to build more coal burning plants? Their right to be the biggest CO2 emitters?

That CCS could end up causing a lot of lake Nyos's?
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Reply #11 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 2:16am
 
lee wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:52pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Sep 21st, 2019 at 5:21pm:
That's right. Do you disagree that that's the reason for them being invited to participate?


Which is right petal? Their right to build more coal burning plants? Their right to be the biggest CO2 emitters?

That CCS could end up causing a lot of lake Nyos's?


I'm not sure what you're asking here, dear - the reasons for the UN inviting developing countries to have a say, or if global warming's a load of tommy rot?

I'm going with the latter, but one thing we know.

You're curious.
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Reply #12 - Sep 22nd, 2019 at 3:38am
 
the UN is dead

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..............  United States withdrawal from the United Nations refers to various proposals for the United States to terminate its membership in the United Nations, where it is one of the founding members and one of the five Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. These proposals are often motivated by a perceived threat to U.S. sovereignty, or theories that the U.N. is a potential world government.

Alabama congressman Mike Rogers has called to leave the UN.[1] Utah state representative Don Bush, has claimed that many programs by the supranational entity have violated the US Constitution, such as the implementation of the International Court of Justice and the Law of the Sea Treaty, both of which the United States does not currently endorse.[2]

The U.S. withdrew from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in October 2017 and July 2018 respectively.[3][4]          ..............

................  According to the polling organization Rasmussen Reports, in the year 2004 a minority of 44% of United States Citizens had a favorable view of the United Nations. This number continued to decline steadily, and two years later in 2006 that number had fallen to 31%. As of 2006, 26% of Americans say "the U.S. should not be involved" with the United Nations, with a moderate majority of 57% supporting remaining a member.[7] The 2006 poll surveyed 1000 adults.[8] A 2008 poll by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs shows that 39% find it "very important" and 21% "not important" to strengthen the U.N.[9] In 2013, a Media and Public Opinion Research Group poll found that 38% of Americans would like less involvement with the UN.[       ...........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_United_Nations

the UN is funded mainly by America.
the UN is islamic and helps almost noone except itself
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Quote:
...............  As president of Socialist International, Guterres envisaged a radical model of government led by a UN parliamentary assembly that would facilitate the emergence of “global citizens”.

During his term as UN high commissioner for refugees, he acted in accordance with socialist ideology by pressuring Western states to open borders and accept a large influx of immigrants from Islamic regimes. Despite the evidence that open border policy facilitated transnational jihadism and the mass murder of Western innocents, Guterres continued to shame governments that protect their citizens with secure borders.

Guterres was president of the Socialist International at its 22nd congress which resolved that: “the goal of the SI must be to parliamentarise the global political system” by the establishment of a “UN parliamentary assembly”. There is nothing sinister about the dream of a peaceful world order led by powers invested in global security and democracy.

However, a UN parliament would produce the opposite. Liberal democratic states constitute a numerical minority which would be overwhelmed by Islamist, communist and socialist states in a global assembly. The consequence is evident in the transformation of the UN over the past two decades.

The largest voting bloc at the UN is the Organisation of Islamic Co-operation. The OIC replaced the Universal Declaration of Human Rights with the Islamic Cairo Declaration whose articles are not universal, but established “in accordance with the Islamic Shariah”.

The UN was charged with responsibility for translating the Kantian ideal of lasting peace into an international norm by establishing institutions of liberal governance to encourage states to codify universal human rights.

However, communist and Islamist states diverted the UN’s path from liberal democratic principles to a more totalitarian tendency.

UN leaders have not corrected this downward trajectory. Rather, they accommodate it. In declarations against totalitarianism, the UN consistently criticises fascism while omitting the ideologies of most murderous regimes of the 20th and 21st century: communism and Islamism. In June, outgoing UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon admitted to whitewashing a report on children killed in conflict zones that held Saudi Arabia and its partners responsible for 60 per cent of child casualties in the region. Citing external pressure, he decided to: “remove the Saudi-led coalition countries from the report’s annex”.

Over the past two decades, the UN’s organisational mode shifted from liberal internationalism to transactional transnationalism in an attempt to accommodate the influence of wealthy but illiberal regimes. In 2007, as UN refugee chief, Guterres addressed the League of Arab States. He credited Islamic law as an “invaluable foundation for the legal framework” used by his office. He acknowledged that the majority of the world’s refugees were Muslim, but focused on “developed societies”, citing “racism” and “xenophobia” as the primary cause of refugee victimhood instead of holding to account the Islamist regimes refugees flee. Guterres encouraged Islamic states to become “more involved in the UNHCR’s governing body”. Today, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights is Jordan’s Zeid Ra’ad Al Hussein.

The UN and Socialist International stances on border policy are virtually interchangeable. The 2015 SI Charter of the Rights of Migrants, which reflects UN and EU articles, is incorporated into the UN’s new migration agenda: the New York Declaration for Refugees and Migrants. In the declaration, the UN brands dissenters from its open border ideal xenophobic. We used to be called realists.

While acknowledging the need to tackle the causes of mass migration, its authors omit the common denominator of the major refugee-producing states: political Islam. Only recently the UN published a report showing that about half of the world’s refugees are produced by three countries: Syria, Afghanistan and Somalia. Instead of investigating the causal link between Islamist government and asylum-seekers, the UN cites environmental degradation, poverty, inequality and conflict as the causes of the refugee crisis.

Guterres is highly critical of Western states that strengthen borders in response to jihadist attacks, stating: “Let us be perfectly clear: Refugees are not terrorists, they are the first victims of terror.”

That is a false dichotomy. The jihadists who entered Europe thanks to the EU socialist bloc’s porous border policy and murdered hundreds of European citizens are both product and cause of Islamist terror. Islamist ideology produces Islamist terrorism which in turn creates refugee crises. The UN routinely denies that reality.

Australia’s border security policy developed by the Abbott government and consolidated by Malcolm Turnbull is earning international praise while the UN open borders approach is viewed increasingly as ideological and harmful. Thanks to our rigorous screening of asylum-seekers, up to 22 jihadists trying to enter Australia as Syrian refugees face rejection. By contrast, the UN has become so irrational that its envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, has offered to personally escort 900 jihadists out of Aleppo. ........... 
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Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 22nd, 2019 at 3:38am:
the UN is dead

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..............  United States withdrawal from the United Nations refers to various proposals for the United States to terminate its membership in the United Nations, where it is one of the founding members and one of the five Permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. These proposals are often motivated by a perceived threat to U.S. sovereignty, or theories that the U.N. is a potential world government.

Alabama congressman Mike Rogers has called to leave the UN.[1] Utah state representative Don Bush, has claimed that many programs by the supranational entity have violated the US Constitution, such as the implementation of the International Court of Justice and the Law of the Sea Treaty, both of which the United States does not currently endorse.[2]

The U.S. withdrew from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) and United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in October 2017 and July 2018 respectively.[3][4]          ..............

................  According to the polling organization Rasmussen Reports, in the year 2004 a minority of 44% of United States Citizens had a favorable view of the United Nations. This number continued to decline steadily, and two years later in 2006 that number had fallen to 31%. As of 2006, 26% of Americans say "the U.S. should not be involved" with the United Nations, with a moderate majority of 57% supporting remaining a member.[7] The 2006 poll surveyed 1000 adults.[8] A 2008 poll by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs shows that 39% find it "very important" and 21% "not important" to strengthen the U.N.[9] In 2013, a Media and Public Opinion Research Group poll found that 38% of Americans would like less involvement with the UN.[       ...........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_United_Nations

the UN is funded mainly by America.
the UN is islamic and helps almost noone except itself



unless you count TALK of course! which most of us  know is extremely CHEAP. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...how they justify their existence is beyond me.. Angry
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