Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
M Mann V Tim Ball court case (Read 569 times)
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Aug 23rd, 2019 at 12:26pm
 
Michael Mann's court case against Tim Ball for supposed defamation has been dismissed with costs to Ball.

Maybe Mann will now publish his methodology on the Hockeystick.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-la...

Next Mann vs Steyn
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Ajax
Gold Member
*****
Offline


CO2 has never controlled
temperature on Earth

Posts: 10952
Australia
Gender: male
Re: M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Reply #1 - Aug 25th, 2019 at 9:22am
 
Back to top
 

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery &  prison" Regas Feraeos
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43291
Gender: male
Re: M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:23pm
 
Hockey stick is, of course, fine.

Lots of crap spouted about this by the usual suspects.

Reality:
Quote:
On the health front, the plea to toss the case notes that Ball, born in 1938, “suffered coronary heart failure” in 2017, after “quintuple bypass surgery” ten years prior, in addition to having Type 2 Diabetes. Apparently being old is a defense?

Ball’s attorney also added that his website doesn’t show up in at least 92% of searches for Dr. Mann, and that it has “low popularity.”

What this all means: no, the court didn’t rule that Mann’s hockey stick was a fraud. And no, it has nothing to do with Mann supposedly refusing to release the data for deniers to double check. Again, Mann took to Twitter to explain that “The ‘Hockey Stick’ data & code are all available & have been for more than a decade,” with a link to the FTP site that’s hosted the data since, by the looks of it, at least 2003.

And for whether or not the hockey stick, showing a rapid increase in temperatures in the modern era, has broken, Mann points out that multiple other teams have come to the same general conclusion.

Far from being a clear win for the deniers, the ruling appears to be more a judgement of the state of Tim Ball: a broken down old man, who’s lucky that no one takes his conspiratorial and accusatory ramblings seriously.

And that’s what his own defense said about him!


https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019/8/28/1881956/-Tim-Ball-Pleads-For-Mercy-As-A...

Quote:
Craig Thomler @craigthomler

Replying to @JamesRider3 @PolAnimalAus and 48 others

Mann fully complied with all disclosure obligations to the defendant Tim Ball relating to data and other documents.

No judge has made any order or given any direction, however minor or inconsequential, that Mann surrender any data or any documents to Ball for any purpose.


https://twitter.com/Andrewemcameron/status/1167273256950423553/photo/1

Or: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDL81e1WwAA-D8J?format=jpg&name=small if not on Twitter

Mann’s data and code has been online and available for years (since 2003 at least,) right here:

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/holocene/public_html/shared/research/MANNETAL98/
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:45pm
 
So why was it necessary to discount the later tree rings and use "surface data"?

I mean the tree rings should work right up until the last year. Wink

You have to wonder how the Judge got it so egregiously wrong it not knowing he had provided the data. Wink

"Penn State climate scientist, Michael ‘hockey stick’ Mann commits contempt of court in the ‘climate science trial of the century.’ Prominent alarmist shockingly defies judge and refuses to surrender data for open court examination. Only possible outcome: Mann’s humiliation, defeat and likely criminal investigation in the U.S."

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/07/06/breaking-fatal-courtroo...

But I suppose you have a different version you wish to share. Wink

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Jovial Monk
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Dogs not cats!

Posts: 43291
Gender: male
Re: M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:53pm
 
You will find tree rings are not that reliable, size of tree rings. Apparently density matters more.

Why look at blogs and stuff, there are much better sources. Mann was not in contempt of court
Back to top
 

Get the vaxx! 💉💉

If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings.
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16350
Gender: male
Re: M Mann V Tim Ball court case
Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 6:19pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:53pm:
You will find tree rings are not that reliable, size of tree rings. Apparently density matters more.



it depends apparently on the tree and Mann relied on that one tree. Wink

Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 14th, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Why look at blogs and stuff, there are much better sources. Mann was not in contempt of court


Give us the link. you know you want to. Wink

but perhaps you mean something before 2019?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print