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Reply #45 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
you didn't answer my question. Do you often copy paste crap without reading it to see if you agree with it?


I post things I don't necessarily agree with to provide balance. And often.

You however only ever post stuff you agree with. That is a bias. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Reply #46 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:57pm
 
If anyone should lose their independent status it is the IPA....

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The IPA and climate change
In an interview with the Sydney Morning Herald, IPA Executive Director John Roskam confirmed the IPA's key role in supporting Australian climate sceptics. '"Of all the serious sceptics in Australia, we have helped and supported just about all of them in their work one way or another," he says, listing some prominent figures on the local circuit. "Ian Plimer - we launched his book - Bob Carter, Jo Nova, William Kininmonth."'

In 2008, the institute facilitated a donation of $350,000 by Dr G. Bryant Macfie, a climate change sceptic, to the University of Queensland for environmental research. The money, which was routed via the IPS, was to fund three environmental doctoral projects with the IPA suggesting two of the three agreed topics. George Bryant Macfie was described as a "medical doctor and philanthropist" and a "long-standing IPA member." Announcing the grant, Macfie complained that "environmental activism" was akin to a new religion infecting science. "The crucifix has been replaced by the wind turbine," he said. The topics for the research included an examination of agricultural practices and chemical usage and the effectiveness of banning tree-clearing in Australia as a way to store carbon. At the time Macfie held 634,846 shares in Strike Resources Limited, making him one of the was a top 20 shareholders. (By 2010, Macfie had increased his shareholding to 800,000 shares, representing .615% of the company's shares.) Strike Resources is a Perth-based mineral exploration company which is seeking to develop an iron project in Peru and the Berau Thermal Coal Project in Indonesia.

In 2011, the institute paid for hundreds of copies of Ian Plimer's book How to get expelled from school: a guide to climate change for pupils, parents and punters to be sent to Australian schools.

The IPA and the Murray River
For all their talk of 'transparency' though, the IPA has beem embroiled in controversy over failure to disclose funders of its work. In June 2004 it was revealed that Australia's largest irrgation company, Murray Irrigation Limited, contributed $40,000 to the IPA. The IPA's environment unit director Jennifer Marohasy played a critical role in persuading a government committee to overturn recommendations to increase the volume of water released into the Murray River.

However, Marohasy did not disclose the donation to the committee. When asked by the Australian Financial Review about the MIL donation, Marohasy would not confirm or deny whether she knew about the donation while writing her report or giving evidence to the committee. She said she did not take "an interest in who funds IPA".

IPA executive director Mike Nahan stated the donation did not affect the organisation's position. While Nahan stated in late 2003 that the names of donors would be revealed, the information is still not disclosed on the organisations website.

In June 2006, Bill Hetherington, Chairman of Murray Irrigation Ltd from 1995 to 2005 - including the period when Murray Irrigation Ltd was a major funder of the IPA - was appointed to the IPA's board of management.


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Reply #47 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:07pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
you didn't answer my question. Do you often copy paste crap without reading it to see if you agree with it?


I post things I don't necessarily agree with to provide balance. And often.

You however only ever post stuff you agree with. That is a bias. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


That all sounds fine and dandy, but in this instance there was nothing to agree or disagree with. You were only trying to provide a list of left leaning think tanks.
You didn't even read it you lying turd.
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Reply #48 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:11pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 3:54pm:
You however only ever post stuff you agree with. That is a bias. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


that doesn't even make sense. You were posting a list of think tanks. In many cases I don't agree with right wing think tanks, are you saying I won't list any RWTT's? You should just admit you didn't read it and give up before you make a bigger fool of yourself. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #49 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:17pm
 
oh noes. Source watch? Next you'll be citing from that other great blog DeSmog that was set up by a convicted internet gaming fraudster Lefebvre and giving that credence. Wink Wink Wink Wink

And they shouldn't be allowed to fund climate sceptics because? Grin Grin Grin Grin

In other news Nature Magazine recently published a "peer-reviewed" "research" "study" which not only named names but also got a lot of them wrong. Seems they are liable to Fraud, Libel and Breach of Privacy provisions of the law.

Any serious study doesn't generally publish names of participants for privacy reasons.

Nature Magazine has pulled the Supplementary Material after publication.

It seems Nature magazine is in breach of its own code of ethics, and the peer-reviewers failed to adequately study the material to find any of the discrepancies.  The peer-reviewers are also supplied by Nature magazine.

It seems that climate sceptics have been getting too much press. Pretty hard for what is "3%" as claimed. Smiley
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Reply #50 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:20pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
that doesn't even make sense.


Only to you petal.

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
In many cases I don't agree with right wing think tanks, are you saying I won't list any RWTT's?


Because you are a left wing warrior and don't want to give air to them petal. WinkJohn Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:11pm:
You should just admit you didn't read it and give up before you make a bigger fool of yourself



poor petal. Really, really hard for you to admit they stuff things up, isn't it? Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #51 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:23pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:07pm:
You were only trying to provide a list of left leaning think tanks.



And I successfully did that petal. Straight from Chifley.org.au the Labor Party's leading think tank. Wink

Not my fault they believe the Parliament of Australia is a left leaning think tank. Wink

maybe they haven't updated the list since 2013.
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Reply #52 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:42pm
 
The Coalition need to be impartial when they look at associated entities....Why is Get Up singled out when Conservative organisation which do not disclose their donors (Get Up does) are not scrutinised???

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Examples of associated entities include ‘500 clubs’, ‘think tanks’, registered clubs, service companies, trade unions and corporate party members.

Associated Entities are required to lodge an Associated Entity Disclosure Return by 20 October each year.

Presumably, the intent of the legislation is disclosure and transparency. That individuals, groups and corporations have to disclose if they are a partisan entity ‘operating wholly or to a significant extent for the benefit of one or more registered political parties.’

The 2015/16 Associated Entity Summary – Annual Returns is an interesting read. Whilst it is a veritable who’s who of Unions, and some companies, there are notable omissions. The Australian Bankers Association, the Minerals Council of Australia, the Business Council of Australia, the Australian Hotels Association, the Institute of Public Affairs, the Australian Christian Lobby (the list would be endless) don’t get a mention.

All of these groups are ‘conservative’ entities that openly advocate for their member’s interests. Which is fair enough. Just like unions advocating for their member’s interests.

All of these groups are frequently cited in ‘supportive’ arguments for like-minded ‘conservative’ governments. Which is fair enough. Just like unions are often cited in ‘supportive’ arguments for like-minded ‘progressive’ governments.

All of these groups are active and vocal participants in our political arena. And they are unashamedly partisan. After all, they are beneficiaries of generous government consideration. But they are not “Associated Entities”. Their achievements include getting rid of the carbon levy, the mining tax, any suggestion of a Royal Commission into corporate malfeasance. And so on.

But none of these groups are “Associated Entities”. Most Unions are.

Another aspect of the Liberal ‘complaint’ is that GetUp recently appointed two new Directors to their Board, both of whom have ‘Labor ties’. The cross membership of the IPA and the Liberal party, not to mention the endless supply of IPA muppets in the media, is, apparently, no cause for concern.


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Reply #53 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:54pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Only to you petal.


no, it doesn't make sense to anyone who can follow a conversation.


lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Because you are a left wing warrior and don't want to give air to them petal.


Are you saying bam isn't a left wing warrior, or are you saying you're an idiot?

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
really hard for you to admit they stuff things up


apparently it's not as hard as it is for you to admit you stuffed up


lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:23pm:
And I successfully did that petal


no you didn't. You failed. Only an idiot would list parliament as a left wing think tank.

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Not my fault they believe the Parliament of Australia is a left leaning think tank


and yet you were the one who listed them as such here. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #54 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
Are you saying bam isn't a left wing warrior, or are you saying you're an idiot?



Are you trying to put words in my mouth about bam, petal? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
apparently it's not as hard as it is for you to admit you stuffed up




But I didn't petal; I posted the think tanks in their entirety according to chifley house. Wink

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
no you didn't. You failed. Only an idiot would list parliament as a left wing think tank.


So now you are saying chifley house are idiots, seeing as it is on their web page. Wink

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
and yet you were the one who listed them as such here.


Exactly petal. As listed by one of your own leftist entities. Your time may be better spent sending them an email to correct it. Wink

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Reply #55 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:03pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
Are you trying to put words in my mouth about bam, petal?



I'm trying to make sense of your stupidity.

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
But I didn't petal;


sure you did. YOU listed it as a left wing think tank. Your sources are your problem, not mine.

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
So now you are saying chifley house are idiots, seeing as it is on their web page



if they claim parliament is a LWTT, then that's exactly what i think, yes.

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
Exactly petal.


it was never in doubt

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
As listed by one of your own leftist entities


its not one of my entities. It's YOUR source. You are responsible for the stupidity you post, not me.


lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 4:59pm:
Your time may be better spent sending them an email to correct it.


why would I? I've never even googled them for anything. They're your source, you email them.
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Reply #56 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
YOU listed it as a left wing think tank.


No petal. I posted what was on Labor Party's leading think tanks website. The list is theirs.

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
if they claim parliament is a LWTT, then that's exactly what i think, yes.


What do you mean IF petal. Haven't you checked their website for veracity?  Oh dear. Talk about pontificating from a position of ignorance. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
its not one of my entities. It's YOUR source. You are responsible for the stupidity you post, not me.


And yet you haven't even checked the veracity of what I posted. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:03pm:
why would I? I've never even googled them for anything. They're your source, you email them.



It's your side of the political divide petal. I don't care what they post, but I am willing to take the piss out of them when they get it wrong. Wink
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Reply #57 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:56pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 11:31am:
Bam wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 10:24am:
And the Institute of Public Affairs.



Is that like the left leaning think tanks?

"Australian

Australian Fabian Society
The Australia Institute
Australian Policy Online
Australian Review of Public Affairs
Catalyst
Centre for Australian Progress
Centre for Policy Development
Evatt Foundation
John Cain Foundation
Lowy Institute
McKell Institute
The Monthly
New Matilda
ON LINE Opinion
Parliament of Australia
Per Capita
Whitlam Institute"

https://www.chifley.org.au/links/

From the Chifley Research Centre so it must be true.

Poor Bammy can't see past the logs he has in both eyes. Wink

Wasn't Get Up originally part funded in Australia by Soros via intermediaries?


Are you a liar or just stupid snowflake....It does not state these are left leaning think tanks, it states "Progressive organisations, think-tanks and policy resources" so why misrepresent their status....Do you have any links to support the claim Soros originally funded Get Up snowflake???

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Reply #58 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:16pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
I posted what was on Labor Party's leading think tanks website. The list is theirs.


your sources are your problem, not mine YOU listed it as a left wing think tank

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
What do you mean IF petal. Haven't you checked their website for veracity?


No I haven't checked. I told you, i've never so much as goggled their web site. Even a smidgeoan of common sense would tell you parliament is not a left wing think tank.
Perhaps you should have checked it before you copy pasted it. Cheesy Cheesy

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
And yet you haven't even checked the veracity of what I posted


you really need a website to tell you whether parliament is or is not a left wing think tank? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
I don't care what they post,


you care enough to copy paste their spiel and use it as a source. Grin Grin

lee wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:34pm:
but I am willing to take the piss out of them when they get it wrong.


just as i am willing to take the piss out of youwhen you get it wrong. The difference being they don't give a sh1t what you think, you on the other hand care greatly that you made a fool of yourself


philperth2010 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
Are you a liar or just stupid snowflake....It does not state these are left leaning think tanks, it states



I'd say it's a little from column A and  Little from column B
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Reply #59 - Aug 18th, 2019 at 6:22pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Aug 18th, 2019 at 5:56pm:
.It does not state these are left leaning think tanks, it states "Progressive organisations, think-tanks and policy resources" so why misrepresent their status.



So the progressive chifley house is nor leftist and neither are the progressive chifley house endorsed think tanks? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

"Generally, progressive organizations fall along the left side of the political spectrum and might be described as "liberal," "left wing" or even "humanistic."  "

https://classroom.synonym.com/the-definition-of-progressive-organizations-120807...

Continuing the education of the left. Wink
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