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Reply #75 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 3:40pm
 
juliar wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 1:15pm:
Electric cars are a hazard to society as they spew huge amounts of poisonous pollution from the coal power stations when they recharge.

And the wheels fall off of Tesla toy cars when the poorly designed weak suspension breaks followed usually by a big crash.


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Holy S***!!! The wheel has come off this pile of junk and we are gunna crraasshhh!!



Common socko give us the well to wheels efficiency of a fossil fool car and then compare it with an EV that charges from the grid from coal fired power ? Don't assume that the petrol magically appears at the fool bowser for you to fill up your tank.

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Reply #76 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 3:54pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 3:32pm:
I ask you again, what have you got to offer that betters an EV in terms of running costs and reliability ?



Poor petal. Sets a low standard and fails to maintain it.

You haven't provided any figures with which to compare the solar panels and batteries.

remember your claim? ONE OFF LIFETIME cost. Wink

poor petal. Running around in circles trying make people forget his claim. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #77 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 5:19pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 3:54pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 3:32pm:
I ask you again, what have you got to offer that betters an EV in terms of running costs and reliability ?



Poor petal. Sets a low standard and fails to maintain it.

You haven't provided any figures with which to compare the solar panels and batteries.

remember your claim? ONE OFF LIFETIME cost. Wink

poor petal. Running around in circles trying make people forget his claim. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


common now dickhead what have you got to offer that's better than an EV  ? Do tell Wink

got you on the run now Cheesy LOL


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Reply #78 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 5:53pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 5:19pm:
common now dickhead what have you got to offer that's better than an EV  ?



I think you mean come on now. Wink

And you are still tap dancing around your claim. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #79 - Aug 22nd, 2019 at 8:33pm
 
Lee is being cruel and stirring the silly dumb Greeny scunge who is an embarrassment and is normally ignored.
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Reply #80 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 10:01am
 
lee wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 5:53pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 5:19pm:
common now dickhead what have you got to offer that's better than an EV  ?



I think you mean come on now. Wink

And you are still tap dancing around your claim. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Tell us what you have to offer as an alternative instead of looking at worst case scenarios ! Mind you with nearly 2 million solar PV installs in Australia I don't hear too many complaints along the lines of your whinging.

You don't have an alternative which is typical of the do-nothing change-nothing useless LNP !
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Reply #81 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 10:02am
 
juliar wrote on Aug 22nd, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Lee is being cruel and stirring the silly dumb Greeny scunge who is an embarrassment and is normally ignored.


And your alternative is the never ever hydrogen cars with the never ever hydrogen fool bowsers that are prone to leaking and catching on fire or blowing up !! Great alternative socko Cheesy LOL
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Reply #82 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:05am
 
The incredibly dumb Greeny scunge is emitting large clouds of her legendary ignorance.

Lee needs to humiliate her a bit more.
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Reply #83 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:52am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 10:01am:
Tell us what you have to offer as an alternative instead of looking at worst case scenarios !



So Solar panel and battery failures are a worst case scenario; albeit one that has an inevitably about it.

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 10:01am:
Mind you with nearly 2 million solar PV installs in Australia I don't hear too many complaints along the lines of your whinging.


So because you don't hear them they don't exist? Grin Grin Grin

I see someone over east is talking of "salvaging" the panels. Of course collecting Australia wide would be a big impost, so we'll see how that eventuates.

BTW- Explaining the problems to you is not whinging. Whinging is when you tell everybody non-stop how other people have it wrong, but won't show your workings. Wink
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Reply #84 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:55am
 
The Greeny scunge is drowning in her own ignorance and Greeny bulldust. Lee is tying the fool up in knots.
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Reply #85 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:59am
 
LostNail probably won't acknowledge the other thread on solar panels. So I thought I would add one sentence here.

juliar wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:52am:
n a recent CHOICE survey of more than 1000 solar owners, 30% reported they had a problem with the solar company.


So 300 out of 1000 had a problem, but LostNail has never heard of them. Wink
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Reply #86 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 12:13pm
 
Electric toy cars are fowl pollution spewing child labour exploiting evil.


The dirty secret of electric vehicles
Douglas Broom 27 Mar 2019

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A charging port is seen on a Mercedes Benz EQC 400 4Matic electric vehicle at the Canadian International AutoShow in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Feb 13, 2019.   Green, but at what cost?   Image: REUTERS/Mark Blinch

The number of electric vehicles on the world’s roads is rising fast. Latest figures show there are more than three million and sales are growing at close to 75% a year. But now doubts have been raised about the ethics of buying one.

Amnesty International says human rights abuses, including the use of child labour, in the extraction of minerals, like cobalt, used to make the batteries that power electric vehicles is undermining ethical claims about the cars.

Kumi Naidoo, Amnesty’s Secretary General, told the recent Nordic EV Summit in Oslo, that climate change should not be tackled at the expense of human rights. “Without radical changes, the batteries which power green vehicles will continue to be tainted by human rights abuses,” he said.

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Cobalt is a big health risk to those - including children - that mine it. Image: Amnesty International

Child labour
Amnesty points to serious health risks to child and adult workers in cobalt mines in the Democratic Republic of Congo, documented in a report it issued. More than half the world’s cobalt comes from southern DRC, much of it from artisanal mines that produce 20% of the country’s output.

Artisanal miners as young as seven were seen by researchers who visited nine sites including deep mines dug by hand using basic tools. Miners, the youngest of whom were earning as little as $1 a day, reported suffering chronic lung disease from exposure to cobalt dust.

Cobalt from these mines is sold on to major producers. No country has laws requiring producers to report on their supply chains, which Amnesty says means the chance electric vehicle batteries are “tainted with child labour and other abuses” is unacceptably high.

Battery manufacture now accounts for 60% of the 125,000 tonnes of cobalt mined globally each year.

A move last year by the London Metal Exchange to ban the sale of tainted cobalt was opposed by a consortium of 14 NGOs, including Amnesty, on the grounds it would simply drive the trade underground. They called for greater traceability of the mineral’s sources.

The World Economic Forum's Global Battery Alliance notes two major challenges:

"First, raw materials needed for batteries are extracted at a high human and environmental toll. This includes, for example, child labour, health and safety hazards in informal work, poverty and pollution. Second, a recycling challenge looms over the eleven million tonnes of spent lithium-ion batteries forecast to be discarded by 2030, with few systems in place to enable reuse and recycling in a circular economy for batteries."

The OECD Forum on Responsible Mineral Supply Chains meets in Paris next month, where members are expected to demand companies identify their cobalt sources. Apple, BMW, Daimler, Renault, and battery maker Samsung SDI have already agreed to publish their supply chain data.

Amnesty says most manufacturing of lithium-ion batteries takes place in China, South Korea and Japan, where electricity generation remains dependent on coal and other fossil fuels. They said makers should disclose the carbon footprint of their products.

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Electric vehicle sales are in the fast lane.    Electric vehicle sales are in the fast lane. Image: ev-volumes.com

Accelerating industry
Electric car ownership is rising fast. The International Energy Agency predicts there will be 125 million in use worldwide by 2030 and potentially double that number if governments step up the pace of legislative change.

Last year, 2.1 million new electric vehicles were sold worldwide. China is the world’s largest electric car market, accounting for 1.2 million - 56% of all electric vehicles sold in 2018. China also accounts for 99% of sales of electric trucks, buses, motorcycles and scooters.

The US came a distant second with 361,000 new electric cars sold in 2018, almost half of which were the new Tesla 3 model. In terms of market share, Norway leads the way - 49% of new cars sold were pure or hybrid electric.

The pressure to go green is increasing as bans on the sale of new fossil-fuelled cars loom in Europe. Germany will stop the sale of all new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, Scotland from 2032, and France and the UK from 2040.


Long road ahead
But the goal of zero-emission driving is still a long way off. Electric cars still only account for 2.4% of global new sales and despite Norway’s stellar sales rate, electric cars still account for only one in eight of vehicles on the road in Oslo.

Sales in other European countries are much lower. In Italy only 0.26% of new sales last year were electric cars, with buyers still preferring diesel over petrol. Even in Spain, which is a major car producer, only 0.5% of new sales were electric.

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/the-dirty-secret-of-electric-vehicles/
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Reply #87 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 12:42pm
 
Electric toy cars are pure evil spewing poisonous pollution and exploiting child labor.

The sooner these Electric Death Chariots are replaced with safe clean Hydrogen real cars the better.





Electric car batteries damaging to environment: Amnesty International
By Alice Tidey  last updated: 21/03/2019

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A charging station for electric cars, Geneva Motor Show, March 5, 2019. - Copyright REUTERS/Denis Balibouse

Amnesty International called out electric car manufacturers on Thursday for producing batteries through unethical and fossil-fuel intensive methods.

The human rights NGO argued that years of unregulated industry practices for the extraction of the minerals used in lithium-ion batteries have led to "detrimental human rights and environmental impacts."

"Finding effective solutions to the climate crisis is an absolute imperative, and electric cars have an important role to play in this," Kumi Naidoo, Amnesty International's Secretary General, said in a statement.

"But without radical changes, the batteries which power green vehicles will continue to be tainted by human rights abuses," he added.

Human rights violations
The NGO said it had documented serious human rights violation linked to the extraction of cobalt in the Democratic Republic of the Congo including child labour and exposure to serious health risks.

It also said that indigenous communities near lithium mines in Argentina are not properly consulted about mining projects on their lands and given insufficient information about the potential impacts it may have on their water sources as mining lithium is water-intensive.

Environmental impacts
Rising demand for minerals needed to produce the batteries has led to a surge in interest in deep-sea mining.

According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN), 29 contracts for the exploration of deep-sea mineral deposits had been granted by the International Seabed Authority by May 2018. The IUCN estimates that commercial mining could start in 2020 in Papua New Guinea's national waters and by 2025 in international waters.

A study by scientists from the University of Exeter concluded last year that deep-sea mining could lead to the release of toxic element and to rapid loss of marine species.

Furthermore, the production of the batteries is currently concentrated in Asian countries including China, South Korea and Japan, where "electricity generation remains dependent on coal and other polluting sources of power," Amnesty noted.

The NGO does however laud the some companies including Apple, BMW, Daimler and Renault for publishing data about their supply chains. It is urging others to do the same and called on the electric vehicle industry to come up with an ethical and clean battery within five years.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/03/21/electric-car-batteries-damaging-to-environme...
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Reply #88 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 3:07pm
 
juliar wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 12:42pm:
Electric toy cars are pure evil spewing poisonous pollution and exploiting child labor.

The sooner these Electric Death Chariots are replaced with safe clean Hydrogen real cars the better.




what do you think your smart phone, lap top, tablet, electric drill etc uses socko ? But no complaints then ! Only if it's an electric car and bypasses the fossil fool bowser do we get complaints about waste from the LNP Losers and No Progress party Sad
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Reply #89 - Aug 23rd, 2019 at 3:12pm
 
lee wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:59am:
LostNail probably won't acknowledge the other thread on solar panels. So I thought I would add one sentence here.

juliar wrote on Aug 23rd, 2019 at 11:52am:
n a recent CHOICE survey of more than 1000 solar owners, 30% reported they had a problem with the solar company.


So 300 out of 1000 had a problem, but LostNail has never heard of them. Wink


What sort of problem and the brand of product ? Was it it a no-name special or a reputable solar panel and PV inverter with 25 years warranty ? Or was it the fly-by-night company gone out of business and not able to honor the warranty.

And how much warranty do you get when you buy a fossil fool car ? But of curse everyone is so used to being ripped off on their fossil fool car that they have become used to it Cheesy LOL
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