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Re: Electric Car emissions
Reply #60 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:19am

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:18am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:13am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:16am:

lee wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 3:07pm:

like a one off investment in solar panels and batteries for a life time of free charge ups is not a good deal compared to what you lot have to offer on your clunkers

Please define "life time" in terms of years. Grin

Oh and don't forget any inverters you may want to use for household power.

get serious will you. 6.6kW PV system for $2150 !!

Now your turn to tell us what discounts you have to offer fossil fool car owners for the life time of the car including service and spare parts Cheesy

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A $2150 system that's going to be a one off investment?

Cheap shyte that probably won't last 10 years.

Oh & getting paid 8 cents a KW that goes back into the grid when they charge 19 to 26 cents a KW .... takes a lot of gloss off that investment.

Not if you use it directly to charge up your EV then you get the full benefit of 26 cents a kw-hr. See what your fossil fool clunker has got to offer you in terms of fuel rebates ?? For $2150 spent at the fool bowser it just goes straight out of the tail pipe and wasted on heating up brake rotors and wearing down brake pads Sad

So electric cars have no brake rotors & pads? Roll Eyes

The fossil fuel propels you down the road the same as the battery .....

the electric energy disappears just the same.

They do but 90% of the time the regen is used to slow the car down and recover the energy that would be wasted as heat !!! I have driven a Tesla and that is indeed what happens so the brakes last much much longer than a fossil fool car !

So the electric motors are actually Traction Motors that have what's called Dynamic Braking like on locomotives?

In a nutshell yes but unlike a deisel locomotive it doesn't dump the energy into heating up a bank of resistors !

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Reply #61 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:21am

Gosh I have really got the loony crazy Greeny scunge going as I activated her inferiority complex and made her spill her legendary ignorance out all over the ground.

She spews ignorance like electric toy cars spew pollution. The she is a Tesla Fan Girl.

Gnads you shouldn't stir this scunge imbecile like that - it is cruel but funny.

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Reply #62 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 2:03pm

juliar wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:21am:

Gosh I have really got the loony crazy Greeny scunge going as I activated her inferiority complex and made her spill her legendary ignorance out all over the ground.

She spews ignorance like electric toy cars spew pollution. The she is a Tesla Fan Girl.

Gnads you shouldn't stir this scunge imbecile like that - it is cruel but funny.

Tell us what ignorance is that socko ?

Try and do it without copying and pasting Cheesy

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Reply #63 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 2:53pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:18am:

Those with battery storage can charge them at night using solar

Why would they need to. You said most people work from home. So they should be able to charge through the day. And initially it was only the solar panel expense, no batteries Wink

But now solar and batteries for a ONE OFF LIFE TIME expense.

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Reply #64 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 2:59pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:19am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:18am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:13am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:11am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 11:39am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 20^th, 2019 at 12:16am:

lee wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 19^th, 2019 at 3:07pm:

like a one off investment in solar panels and batteries for a life time of free charge ups is not a good deal compared to what you lot have to offer on your clunkers

Please define "life time" in terms of years. Grin

Oh and don't forget any inverters you may want to use for household power.

get serious will you. 6.6kW PV system for $2150 !!

Now your turn to tell us what discounts you have to offer fossil fool car owners for the life time of the car including service and spare parts Cheesy

LOL

A $2150 system that's going to be a one off investment?

Cheap shyte that probably won't last 10 years.

Oh & getting paid 8 cents a KW that goes back into the grid when they charge 19 to 26 cents a KW .... takes a lot of gloss off that investment.

Not if you use it directly to charge up your EV then you get the full benefit of 26 cents a kw-hr. See what your fossil fool clunker has got to offer you in terms of fuel rebates ?? For $2150 spent at the fool bowser it just goes straight out of the tail pipe and wasted on heating up brake rotors and wearing down brake pads Sad

So electric cars have no brake rotors & pads? Roll Eyes

The fossil fuel propels you down the road the same as the battery .....

the electric energy disappears just the same.

They do but 90% of the time the regen is used to slow the car down and recover the energy that would be wasted as heat !!! I have driven a Tesla and that is indeed what happens so the brakes last much much longer than a fossil fool car !

So the electric motors are actually Traction Motors that have what's called Dynamic Braking like on locomotives?

In a nutshell yes but unlike a deisel locomotive it doesn't dump the energy into heating up a bank of resistors !

The heat energy that comes from changing the motor from traction to a generator has to be dissipated .... it goes through a fan cooling grid.

Some electric suburban trains return power to the grid through the rails when in dynamic brake ...

some electric locomotives return it to the overhead wires ... some don't ... they also dissipate the power as heat through a grid.

Oh & using battery storage on your solar isn't in the affordable range when you speak of a $2,150 investment.

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Re: Electric Car emissions
Reply #65 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:17pm

lee wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 2:53pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 10:18am:

Those with battery storage can charge them at night using solar

Why would they need to. You said most people work from home. So they should be able to charge through the day. And initially it was only the solar panel expense, no batteries Wink

But now solar and batteries for a ONE OFF LIFE TIME expense.

as opposed to continuously taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser for the life of the vehicle and never ever getting a single cent back !!

Don't forget your shopper dockets and avoid the weekly price gouging ripoff which the ACCC still can't explain Cheesy

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21144 Gender:	Re: Electric Car emissions Reply #66 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:19pm Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:17pm: as opposed to continuously taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser for the life of the vehicle and never ever getting a single cent back !! You still haven't answered the question. WHY is that?
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Sir lastnail Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30923 Gender:	Re: Electric Car emissions Reply #67 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:21pm lee wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:17pm: as opposed to continuously taking it up the arse at the fossil fool bowser for the life of the vehicle and never ever getting a single cent back !! You still haven't answered the question. WHY is that? why is what ?
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Reply #68 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:27pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:21pm:

why is what ?

The one off life time expense petal. Wink

Just looked at the Powerwall 2 specs. Warranty 10 years, so they are covered that long. It seems far short of a one off lifetime cost if it is using your life time as the base period.

If it is the EV lifetime it seems you need to purchase one every new EV.

https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/powerwall-2-warranty/

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Reply #69 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:07pm

lee wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:27pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 3:21pm:

why is what ?

The one off life time expense petal. Wink

Just looked at the Powerwall 2 specs. Warranty 10 years, so they are covered that long. It seems far short of a one off lifetime cost if it is using your life time as the base period.

If it is the EV lifetime it seems you need to purchase one every new EV.

https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/powerwall-2-warranty/

But what do you have to offer that betters it ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21144 Gender:	Re: Electric Car emissions Reply #70 - Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:42pm Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:07pm: But what do you have to offer that betters it ? Why do refuse to answer the question?
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Reply #71 - Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 10:19am

lee wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:42pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 21^st, 2019 at 11:07pm:

But what do you have to offer that betters it ?

Why do refuse to answer the question?

Forget your stupid inane circular questions that you keep repeating.

Tell us what you have to offer in terms of running costs and tell us why you think it is so much better than an electric vehicle ?

This should be interesting Wink

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Reply #72 - Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 12:12pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 10:19am:

Forget your stupid inane circular questions that you keep repeating.

They are not circular. They don't rely on circular reasoning. What you probably mean is that you don't want to show yourself as a circle jerk. Wink

All you have to do is tell us it is the EV life time not yours. Wink

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Reply #73 - Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 1:15pm

Electric cars are a hazard to society as they spew huge amounts of poisonous pollution from the coal power stations when they recharge.

And the whompy wheels fall off of Tesla toy cars when the poorly designed weak suspension breaks followed usually by a big crash.

Holy S***!!! The whompy wheel has come off this pile of junk and we are gunna crraasshhh!!

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Reply #74 - Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 3:32pm

lee wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 12:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2019 at 10:19am:

Forget your stupid inane circular questions that you keep repeating.

They are not circular. They don't rely on circular reasoning. What you probably mean is that you don't want to show yourself as a circle jerk. Wink

All you have to do is tell us it is the EV life time not yours. Wink