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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #30 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 9:55am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 5:44pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really? Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts? Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison? Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate. Roll Eyes

No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK? Roll Eyes

If you can show me the 200 year old individuals who experienced all this then you may have a point. However, these alleged historical atrocities are nothing more than an excuse for current day criminal behaviour. We are throwing more money and services than ever before at the Aboriginal industry with increasingly negative outcomes, its time to break the cycle. Individuals like yourself giving criminals reasons to excuse their behaviour isn't a positive contribution Brian, its a negative one and it is exactly why there are increasingly negative outcomes for the Abos. You and people like you are causing it Brian.

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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #31 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 10:11am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 5:44pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really? Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts? Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison? Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate. Roll Eyes

No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK? Roll Eyes

oh dear here we go bri bri's answer to everything he cant answer.. Roll Eyes

I was brought up by todays standards very poor...all I remember is hand me downs I even wore shoes that had the toes cut out my feet seemed to grow faster than the rest of me....... guess what i never recall once holding my mum and dad responsible for that or anyone else for that matter I just accepted it was how the times were....I made sure my own kids never had to wear shoes with the toes cut out..in fact I dont think I have ever seen that since I grew up... all I know is as each generation comes along so its standards changes.... if I had told my kids how poor I was and how I had nothing basically and yes I expected them to live the same as I did... then I am sure we could carry my experience forward.... Roll Eyes

...it is after all about feeling sorry for oneself..... we can neither change what happened nor pretend it never happened.... all we can do is stop carrying it forward...

if you can produce one aboriginal that is still suffering as if it was 200 years ago right now.....

then bring it on bri bri......

my experience of each generation that wishes better for itself is they lift themselves up no one does it for them.

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Reply #32 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 10:31am

Spot on, Cods. My family on my father's side immigrated to Australia to escape the famine of the 1850's imposed on the Irish by the British. My mother's side were farming folk who trapped wild rabbits and the kids had one pair of shoes ( for school and church only). My mother's father had polio as a boy and then later tuberculosis. Several of my ancestors served in the great wars either dying or coming home to complete anonymity. My immediate family grew up in housing commission in Mt Druitt during the terrible Hawke/Keating years when unemployment waa 12% and interest rates were even higher. It's easy to blame, much harder to take stock of your life and work and struggle to make it better.

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Reply #33 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #34 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here. Nothing will change until people change it themselves. Just like everyone else in this country Aboriginal people have the means to raise themselves, unlike others they have an extraordinary amount of resources available to them to do so. About time you quit the racist stereotyping.

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Reply #35 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:45am

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years. Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150. Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:50am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years. Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150. Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all. Roll Eyes

No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts?

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #37 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:12pm History is all about dispossession and land theft. My ancestors were sent out to Australia as convicts for speaking out against the Catholic church. I don't lean on the injustices that happened to my family before I was born. Why do Aborigines? More to the point, why do you?
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6384 Australia Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #38 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:18pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 10:34pm: Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground How long have you had this obsession Bwwwian?
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Reply #39 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:08pm

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years. Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150. Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all. Roll Eyes

No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts?

The majority of Indigenous Australians are indeed better off. You are talking bullshit, Rhinto. Run along now. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #40 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:09pm Fuzzball wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:18pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 10:34pm: Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground How long have you had this obsession Bwwwian? How long have you been a dickhead, Fuzzy?
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Reply #41 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 12:12pm:

History is all about dispossession and land theft. My ancestors were sent out to Australia as convicts for speaking out against the Catholic church. I don't lean on the injustices that happened to my family before I was born. Why do Aborigines? More to the point, why do you?

Irish people speaking out against the Catholic Church and the British punishing them with transportation? Really? Get real, Hammer, please. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 1:08pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:50am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:45am:

rhino wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:42am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 11:32am:

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. "Yeah, we had it tought. I had to have the toes on me shoes cut out 'cause they were hand-me-downs."

You people really are quite weird. Get back to me when you've lived in humpies, with no shoes, ragged clothing, no school books, nothing, then you might be able to compare yourself with how many Indigenous Ausralians lived till 50 years ago.

Interesting date that, hey? Not only did mankind land on the moon but Australia had just recognised Indigenous people as full citizens - as human beings in fact. So, when you grow up as a non-human (not that you lot act like humans IMO), you might, just might have a point.

Australian Indigenous people have had it hard for most of the last 200+ years. Harder than white settlers. Much, much harder. Why? 'cause everything they owned was stolen from them. Their land, their tribes, their families, their kids, their culture, you name it. Roll Eyes

Brian, you persist with this and still don't get it, the vast majority of Aboriginal people are under 50, urbanised and have no idea what a humpy is. It is you who are persisting with this stereotyping and it is you who is the real racist here.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. I am talking about what has happened over the last 200+ years. Indeed, I compare the last 50 with the preceding 150. Things are getting better for the majority of Indigenous Australians but not all. Roll Eyes

No Brian, things aren't getting better. As I stated, outcomes are increasingly negative for Aboriginal people despite huge resources being given to them. How can you be in this debate if you don't know the actual facts?

The majority of Indigenous Australians are indeed better off. You are talking bullshit, Rhinto. Run along now. Roll Eyes

An educated person might have done a simple google before looking stupid.
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Indigenous disadvantage getting

worse

in mental health and incarceration

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/17/indigenous-disadvantage-mental-health-domestic-violence-incarceration

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In fact, a December 2017 Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report found the mortality and life expectancy gaps are actually widening due to accelerating non-Indigenous population gains in these areas.

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islander-social-justice/publications/close-gap-10-year-review

Feel stupid Brian? You should.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 46311	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #43 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 2:43pm Doesn't affect the majority of Indigenous Australians, you wally. If you are innumerate, please don't don't display it publicly. It is embarrassing.
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Reply #44 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 2:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Doesn't affect the majority of Indigenous Australians, you wally. If you are innumerate, please don't don't display it publicly. It is embarrassing. Roll Eyes

You don't know about statistical data? Do you know anything at all? Basic stuff Brian. Theres no way out of it, Aboriginal people are less healthy, life span is lower and crime rate increasing. Why keep embarrassing yourself?

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