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Reply #15 - Jul 19^th, 2019 at 8:01pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:27pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 5:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2019 at 5:47pm:

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Do you believe that people who's ancestors get to a country first deserve extra rights Brian?

I believe they need their rights to be observed by the latter arrivals, Hammer. How about you? What do you think? It appears you haven't actually read the article I linked to, have you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What about the Swedish for instance. It's their native land. Should the average Swede have more rights than migrants?

Nope. They should have equal rights, just as Indigenous Australians should have equal rights to white colonist descended Australians, Hammer. Do you believe Indigenous Australians have equal rights that are observed by Government(s)?

I note you failed to answer my questions. Why?

They do have equal rights Brian. What's something I can do that they can't?

You can inherit your ancestor's lands, Hammer. They can't, except through a complex legal system which is designed to slot their rights in with the land rights of White descended Coloials. Funny that.

Oh, and you can say, "No Trespassers Allowed" and put up fences and so on, to stop them coming onto your land, legally. Indigenous Australians just get endless criticism from White people, funny that.

Oh, and if you're sick, you can toddle of to your local doctor/health centre/hospital. Indigenous Australians can't usually do that if they live on their land. Funny that, hey? Roll Eyes

They live in middle of nowhere Brian. Do you want a little hospital built on every aboriginal settlement out in the bush?

Not every settlement, no but on the main ones, yes.

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I can't inherit all the land my ancestors owned muppet. Or I'd own a big patch in Ireland.

See, you dismiss their inability to exercise the same rights you can and do, Hammer. How kind of you. How smacking typical. Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #16 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 4:28pm You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.
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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #17 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 5:30pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.

And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer. Can Indigenous Australians? Roll Eyes

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Reply #18 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 7:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.

And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer. Can Indigenous Australians? Roll Eyes

Yes, they can.

They do. We have endless dam 'welcome to dam cuntry' ceremonies. What's that about? respect for elders past and present?? They were pretty patriarchal and unsavoury, those elders and preside over the abuse of women and children, still very big, with all that 40, 60, 80 thousand year cultural memory and practice still operating. I don't mind them being savages. We don't all have to be suburban yokels. I just don't like the pretence that they aren't savages. I would have a lot more respect for them if the OWNED their savagery.

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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #19 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 10:34pm

Frank wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 7:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 5:30pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 4:28pm:

You're missing the point, Brian. We all have ancestries. We all, therefore, have 'ancestral lands'. I can acquire my ancestral land. It's called a mortgage.

And once you have acquired your ancestral lands you can then hand them onto your descendents, Hammer. Can Indigenous Australians? Roll Eyes

Yes, they can.

They do. We have endless dam 'welcome to dam cuntry' ceremonies. What's that about? respect for elders past and present?? They were pretty patriarchal and unsavoury, those elders and preside over the abuse of women and children, still very big, with all that 40, 60, 80 thousand year cultural memory and practice still operating. I don't mind them being savages. We don't all have to be suburban yokels. I just don't like the pretence that they aren't savages. I would have a lot more respect for them if the OWNED their savagery.

Oh, really, Soren? I'm sure you'd love them to be as savage as they were once. Then you'd feel justified with your racism and your insults. I wonder though, how your Psychiatry would work against a band of tribal men, armed with spears, coming at you with murder in their eyes?

Today, Indigenous Australians are only recognised to have a say in their ancestral lands. They can't own them, they cannot bequeath them to their descendents. Whites? Guess what? They can own land, have it vested in their name and they can hand it down to their descendents. Funny that, hey, Soren?

Now, bugger off to your little kiddies' playground where you can roll in your mud patch, all day long. Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #20 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:13pm Address Frank's point, please Brian. I'm ofay with the noble savage idea. On the other hand, what are your views on the well established tribal practices of incest, rape and corporal punishment? Are you willing to judge aboriginal history with the same rigour in which you judge your own?
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #21 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.
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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #22 - Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really? Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts? Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison? Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate. Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #23 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 10:45am Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites? Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.
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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #24 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 10:45am:

Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites? Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.

Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer? Really? Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really? Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts? Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison? Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate. Roll Eyes

No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

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Reply #26 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 5:44pm

rhino wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:48pm:

rhino wrote on Jul 20^th, 2019 at 11:35pm:

You are out of touch Brian, this isnt 1950, Aboriginals have more opportunity than any other group in this country.

Really? Is that why they live on average what, 8.6 years less than their white male counterparts? Why they represent 28% of the prisoners in prison? Why they suffer from disease at a high rate than many whites?

I think you need to reset your moral compass, mate. Roll Eyes

No one is forcing aboriginals to have high rates of substance abuse and domestic violence. There is no white cheer squad enabling these things. And the truth is due to legislation they have far greater work and educational opportunities than anyone else. Thats the facts, mate.

If you believe that, how about we subject you and your family to 200+ years of denigration and outright hatred, steal your land, steal your children, destroy your religion and culture and then see if you still feel that way, OK? Roll Eyes

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Re: Abo recognition referendum
Reply #27 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 6:03pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 10:45am:

Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites? Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.

Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer? Really? Roll Eyes

Not at all. Western culture teaches us that life is a struggle. The cause of that struggle is irrelevant. All that is relevant is tbe solution. Is the aboriginal victimhood industry really in the best interests of aboigines?

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Reply #28 - Jul 21^st, 2019 at 8:02pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 6:03pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 21^st, 2019 at 10:45am:

Rather than the cause being socio-economic, could these figures be a result of the victim status placed on the indigene from well-meaning whites? Non-Aborigines are expected to rise above adversity; the aborigine is taught to piss and moan because it's all whitey's fault therefore it's up to him to fix it.

Ah, so when White Australians are suffering as a consequence of White society's indifference it is their own fault, Hammer? Really? Roll Eyes

Not at all. Western culture teaches us that life is a struggle. The cause of that struggle is irrelevant. All that is relevant is tbe solution. Is the aboriginal victimhood industry really in the best interests of aboigines?

Western culture teaches that people are immaterial to the continued existence of western culture, Hammer, nothing more. Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Abo recognition referendum Reply #29 - Jul 22^nd, 2019 at 4:43am That's probably true.. Aboriginal culture teaches we are the original inhabitants, we are strong etc. Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. We are victims. Never forget we are victims. So stick those hands out. Get 'em right out there. There you go, free stuff.
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