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Reply #45 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:10pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 8:45pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

The team turned down her offer.

Remind me again how Trump asking the Russians to release the information at a recorded rally constitutes refusing the offer ?

Really when did he say that? You do have that info?

Perhaps you need to realize that Trump likes to joke and clown around at his rally's. EG "Russia are you listening" - no one except the fake media took that comment seriously.

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Reply #46 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:20pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 9:15pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:34pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

I was too ambiguous with that line.

They had contact with Russia.

But who do we have to believe that they turned down the offer on information?

And recently Trump said he'd break the law again if a foreign power came.to him with information...

It's mind boggling.

Your mind is already boggled!

Where and when did he break the law?

Here is Devin Nunes giving an excellent and HONEST summation of the failed Russian witchhunt.

Nunes is still Blaming Alexander Downer here ? come on there goes any credibility he may have had. Well in reality he had nothing to lose.

Sure, ignore the message and shoot the messenger.

Downer should stand trial for his part in kicking off the Russian hoax.

Also the Oz gov should have an inquiry into the 450 million donated to the Clinton foundations scam.

Have Australians become so apathetic that when the people are defrauded to the tune of almost a half billion - they just don't care?

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #47 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:50pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 8:45pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

The team turned down her offer.

Remind me again how Trump asking the Russians to release the information at a recorded rally constitutes refusing the offer ?

Really when did he say that? You do have that info?

Perhaps you need to realize that Trump likes to joke and clown around at his rally's. EG "Russia are you listening" - no one except the fake media took that comment seriously.

And the Russians obviously - they did release the information a short time later. There was a much more blatant example from a trump rally.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #48 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 11:02pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:20pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 9:15pm:

Nunes is still Blaming Alexander Downer here ? come on there goes any credibility he may have had. Well in reality he had nothing to lose.

Sure, ignore the message and shoot the messenger.

Downer should stand trial for his part in kicking off the Russian hoax.

Also the Oz gov should have an inquiry into the 450 million donated to the Clinton foundations scam.

Have Australians become so apathetic that when the people are defrauded to the tune of almost a half billion - they just don't care?

Shoot the messenger - If he thinks that Downer was involved in anything it would be a mercy to put him out of his misery. It is just stupid to blame Downer. All he did was to report a serious matter to the proper authorities.

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Asked by The Advertiser whether Mueller’s findings were accurate from his point of view and if he agreed with the report’s conclusions, Alexander Downer said only: “I’m glad to have contributed to exposing Russian intelligence intervention in America’s politics.”

Mr Mueller devotes 14 pages of his 448-page report to Mr Papadopoulos.

Mr Downer acknowledged in an interview with The Australian newspaper last year he met with Mr Papadopoulos at a London bar and said Mr Papadopoulos told him Russia had damaging material on Mr Trump’s presidential rival Hillary Clinton.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/mueller-report-donald-trum...

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #49 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 11:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:50pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 8:45pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

The team turned down her offer.

Remind me again how Trump asking the Russians to release the information at a recorded rally constitutes refusing the offer ?

Really when did he say that? You do have that info?

Perhaps you need to realize that Trump likes to joke and clown around at his rally's. EG "Russia are you listening" - no one except the fake media took that comment seriously.

And the Russians obviously - they did release the information a short time later. There was a much more blatant example from a trump rally.

So according to the allegations made here. Russia was asked to release some of Hillary's emails that she had acid washed from her unsecured home server. Classified emails that had been subpoenaed by congress.

Asking Russia to release any emails was in fact doing the bidding of congress.

If there is any fault here its Hillary's illegal and criminally irresponsible use of her own server. Trump was being just his candid self.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #50 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 10:46am

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

The oligarchs in Russia would consider trump a " poor American". . He might have some utility as a place to launder some money.
But trump building a hotel isn't going to bring about the aims of the " globalist s"

The globalist s are the political elite, the media elite, the university elite, the financial elite and the corporate elite.
And they want an end to nation states for a variety of reasons, both financial and ideological.

They are no friend of joe lunchbox in Detroit who loses his job and no friend of Kim lee in china who works a 12 hr day as slave labour making apple I phones or clothes for guess.

Trump is no friend of the elites in this cartel as he seeks to disrupt this cosy arrangement.

He is like Lincoln, freeing the enslaved Chinese people ( skinny Huang and skinny phong)

Mr Trump's a billionaire property developer, dear. Deals in Moscow, Riyadh, Dubai and as far as Scotland. He's a good friend of Roger Ailles. He had his own weekly spot on Fox News - syndicated globally, of course. Before he joined the Republicans, Mr Trump was in with the East Coast Democrats. Bill and Hillary attended his wedding.

So there's the Russian oligarchs, the Saudis, the globalist News Ltd media and the Washington political elite. What else do you think makes you a globalist elite, Aquascoot?

Would a few members-only country clubs with your name on them around the world cut it, do you think?

You love globalism, but you hate globalists. So why do you love Mr Trump, dear?

I'm curious. It would seem to me that you're prepared to abandon every principle you believe in when someone comes along and tells porkies.

You?

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #51 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:26pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 10:46am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

The oligarchs in Russia would consider trump a " poor American". . He might have some utility as a place to launder some money.
But trump building a hotel isn't going to bring about the aims of the " globalist s"

The globalist s are the political elite, the media elite, the university elite, the financial elite and the corporate elite.
And they want an end to nation states for a variety of reasons, both financial and ideological.

They are no friend of joe lunchbox in Detroit who loses his job and no friend of Kim lee in china who works a 12 hr day as slave labour making apple I phones or clothes for guess.

Trump is no friend of the elites in this cartel as he seeks to disrupt this cosy arrangement.

He is like Lincoln, freeing the enslaved Chinese people ( skinny Huang and skinny phong)

Mr Trump's a billionaire property developer, dear. Deals in Moscow, Riyadh, Dubai and as far as Scotland. He's a good friend of Roger Ailles. He had his own weekly spot on Fox News - syndicated globally, of course. Before he joined the Republicans, Mr Trump was in with the East Coast Democrats. Bill and Hillary attended his wedding.

So there's the Russian oligarchs, the Saudis, the globalist News Ltd media and the Washington political elite. What else do you think makes you a globalist elite, Aquascoot?

Would a few members-only country clubs with your name on them around the world cut it, do you think?

You love globalism, but you hate globalists. So why do you love Mr Trump, dear?

I'm curious. It would seem to me that you're prepared to abandon every principle you believe in when someone comes along and tells porkies.

You?

I love globalisation. Not globalism.
Globalisation is free trade .
That INCLUDES intellectual property.

Globalism is the doctrine of the political , corporate, intellectual , university and media elites that calls for pulling down borders. Free flow of capital to enslave the workers in poorer countries under the guise of a common humanity

It enriches and empowers the elites but it does nothing for the citizens of a nation state.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #52 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 5:49pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 2:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 10:46am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 6:36pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

The oligarchs in Russia would consider trump a " poor American". . He might have some utility as a place to launder some money.
But trump building a hotel isn't going to bring about the aims of the " globalist s"

The globalist s are the political elite, the media elite, the university elite, the financial elite and the corporate elite.
And they want an end to nation states for a variety of reasons, both financial and ideological.

They are no friend of joe lunchbox in Detroit who loses his job and no friend of Kim lee in china who works a 12 hr day as slave labour making apple I phones or clothes for guess.

Trump is no friend of the elites in this cartel as he seeks to disrupt this cosy arrangement.

He is like Lincoln, freeing the enslaved Chinese people ( skinny Huang and skinny phong)

Mr Trump's a billionaire property developer, dear. Deals in Moscow, Riyadh, Dubai and as far as Scotland. He's a good friend of Roger Ailles. He had his own weekly spot on Fox News - syndicated globally, of course. Before he joined the Republicans, Mr Trump was in with the East Coast Democrats. Bill and Hillary attended his wedding.

So there's the Russian oligarchs, the Saudis, the globalist News Ltd media and the Washington political elite. What else do you think makes you a globalist elite, Aquascoot?

Would a few members-only country clubs with your name on them around the world cut it, do you think?

You love globalism, but you hate globalists. So why do you love Mr Trump, dear?

I'm curious. It would seem to me that you're prepared to abandon every principle you believe in when someone comes along and tells porkies.

You?

I love globalisation. Not globalism.
Globalisation is free trade .
That INCLUDES intellectual property.

Globalism is the doctrine of the political , corporate, intellectual , university and media elites that calls for pulling down borders. Free flow of capital to enslave the workers in poorer countries under the guise of a common humanity

It enriches and empowers the elites but it does nothing for the citizens of a nation state.

No, dear, it has enriched you too. Most couldn't afford an IPhone or a pair of Nikes without it. You certainly couldn't travel freely around the world and buy and sell whatever you want.

You wouldn't even know what you want because you wouldn't know the rich array of stuff you can get from other countries.

Remember? Back in the 70s and 80s, you could get about 2 brands of cheese. Today, there's an entire section of the supermarket devoted to it.

And most importantly, prices are lower in real wage terms. Manufactured goods are cheaper than they've ever been - in history.

I, you see, am a globalist. I love to be able to take off and go wherever I like. I like competing airlines selling cheap airfares. I like buying interesting stuff from overseas and eating nice food. I certainly like the cheaper price of goods. I remember all too well the tariff-driven 1970s, where in Australia, most shops only sold two types of sneakers, both Dunlop. Anything else was rare, and cost a fortune.

And do you know? This is what some people are scared of. They don't like change or diversity. They don't want to go to different places. They don't want to learn new skills and compete for jobs.

Yes, Fat Steve is certainly not a globalist. This is why he worships a globalist property developer who tells him fibs.

You?

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #53 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 7:36pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 11:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:50pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:10pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 8:45pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

The team turned down her offer.

Remind me again how Trump asking the Russians to release the information at a recorded rally constitutes refusing the offer ?

Really when did he say that? You do have that info?

Perhaps you need to realize that Trump likes to joke and clown around at his rally's. EG "Russia are you listening" - no one except the fake media took that comment seriously.

And the Russians obviously - they did release the information a short time later. There was a much more blatant example from a trump rally.

So according to the allegations made here. Russia was asked to release some of Hillary's emails that she had acid washed from her unsecured home server. Classified emails that had been subpoenaed by congress.

Asking Russia to release any emails was in fact doing the bidding of congress.

If there is any fault here its Hillary's illegal and criminally irresponsible use of her own server. Trump was being just his candid self.

Yes Asking a foreign power to assist Trump politically in an election campaign is all OK. Not long ago was you can prove this ?

You do understand that if the email had been acid washed then it would not be possible to hack them from her server ??? So much of your opinions are made up of contradictory rubbish like this.

And then in the next breath when Trumps family members and political team are caught doing the same thing with email it is then all ok ???

Do you even understand that had Trump been in any country other than the USA his actions would have been considered treason, that is just based on the things it is known that he did in fact definitely do.

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Reply #54 - Jun 17^th, 2019 at 11:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 17^th, 2019 at 7:36pm: