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Reply #30 - Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

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Reply #31 - Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:07pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

Trump didn't rebut anything he refused to appear.

The bar to prove collusion is very high.

The facts are that

The Russians did assist the Trump election effort.

The Trump Team did assist the Russians

There were meetings between the Russians and the Trump team.

The Thing that saved Trump from collusion is that it could not be proven that there was any formal coordination between the Trump Team and the Russians. They apparently worked separately in support of each others efforts if you believe that outcome.

Trump lied about the Russian involvement from day 1, we will likely never know what really happened but if nothing else all the lies made it well worth investigating and well worth reporting.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #32 - Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:19pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

I was too ambiguous with that line.

They had contact with Russia.

But who do we have to believe that they turned down the offer on information?

And recently Trump said he'd break the law again if a foreign power came.to him with information...

It's mind boggling.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #33 - Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:34pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

I was too ambiguous with that line.

They had contact with Russia.

But who do we have to believe that they turned down the offer on information?

And recently Trump said he'd break the law again if a foreign power came.to him with information...

It's mind boggling.

Your mind is already boggled!

Where and when did he break the law?

Here is Devin Nunes giving an excellent and HONEST summation of the failed Russian witchhunt.

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #34 - Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:43pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:07pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

Trump didn't rebut anything he refused to appear.

The bar to prove collusion is very high.

The facts are that

The Russians did assist the Trump election effort.

The Trump Team did assist the Russians

There were meetings between the Russians and the Trump team.

The Thing that saved Trump from collusion is that it could not be proven that there was any formal coordination between the Trump Team and the Russians. They apparently worked separately in support of each others efforts if you believe that outcome.

Trump lied about the Russian involvement from day 1, we will likely never know what really happened but if nothing else all the lies made it well worth investigating and well worth reporting.

Yeah and the moon is made of cheese.

Having been conned you now refuse to believe that you have been - good grief!

The Mueller report was an impediment and harassment for a newly elected President to fulfill his mandate. It helped the Democrats steal the midterm elections.

The Trump team did not collude - it was the Dems who in fact did collude with the Russians. Hey but lets not forget the sale of a strategic asset uranium!

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Reply #38 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

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Reply #39 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 5:28pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

The oligarchs in Russia would consider trump a " poor American". . He might have some utility as a place to launder some money.
But trump building a hotel isn't going to bring about the aims of the " globalist s"

The globalist s are the political elite, the media elite, the university elite, the financial elite and the corporate elite.
And they want an end to nation states for a variety of reasons, both financial and ideological.

They are no friend of joe lunchbox in Detroit who loses his job and no friend of Kim lee in china who works a 12 hr day as slave labour making apple I phones or clothes for guess.

Trump is no friend of the elites in this cartel as he seeks to disrupt this cosy arrangement.

He is like Lincoln, freeing the enslaved Chinese people ( skinny Huang and skinny phong)

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Reply #40 - Jun 14^th, 2019 at 10:14pm

Some are in denial.

Some happy to support a liar funny that it is the same ones who were outraged by Julia Gillard's one supposed broken promise and also supported Pants on fire Abbott and the one time world lying record holder - The lying rodent.

Yes we all thought that the Rodents world lying title would stand forever but he never had a chance against Trump.

Then there are those who just keep finding excuses for anything.

All in all a sad bunch of hypocrites.

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Reply #42 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 6:36pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 5:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 8:29pm:

Not how Mr Trump has operated?

I see. So how do you explain a presidential candidate secretly negotiating with officials in Moscow to build a hotel on the one hand, his senior campaign staff meeting with Russian agents to get hacked dirt on his political opponent on the other, and his "national security" guy having private chats with their ambassador, promising to lift sanctions when they get into the White House?

Quite the operator, eh? Sounds like more of a globalist than a patriot to me.

You?

I say, Aquascoot, do you want to have a stab at this one?

The oligarchs in Russia would consider trump a " poor American". . He might have some utility as a place to launder some money.
But trump building a hotel isn't going to bring about the aims of the " globalist s"

The globalist s are the political elite, the media elite, the university elite, the financial elite and the corporate elite.
And they want an end to nation states for a variety of reasons, both financial and ideological.

They are no friend of joe lunchbox in Detroit who loses his job and no friend of Kim lee in china who works a 12 hr day as slave labour making apple I phones or clothes for guess.

Trump is no friend of the elites in this cartel as he seeks to disrupt this cosy arrangement.

He is like Lincoln, freeing the enslaved Chinese people ( skinny Huang and skinny phong)

Mr Trump's a billionaire property developer, dear. Deals in Moscow, Riyadh, Dubai and as far as Scotland. He's a good friend of Roger Ailles. He had his own weekly spot on Fox News - syndicated globally, of course. Before he joined the Republicans, Mr Trump was in with the East Coast Democrats. Bill and Hillary attended his wedding.

So there's the Russian oligarchs, the Saudis, the globalist News Ltd media and the Washington political elite. What else do you think makes you a globalist elite, Aquascoot?

Would a few members-only country clubs with your name on them around the world cut it, do you think?

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #43 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 8:45pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

The team turned down her offer.

Remind me again how Trump asking the Russians to release the information at a recorded rally constitutes refusing the offer ?

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Re: If Trump is going to lie, he should remember...
Reply #44 - Jun 16^th, 2019 at 9:15pm

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:34pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:05pm:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 10:31am:

Richdude wrote on Jun 13^th, 2019 at 7:27am:

For 2.5 years the fake news ran the Russian collusion delusion. 62% believed the lie - Trump rebutted the lies.

Who was lying?

China owes its prosperity to the US. Benevolent tariffs, intellectual theft, technology transfer. Now Trump is redressing the situation.

His team contacted Russias in an attempt to get information, that's a fact.

Mueller was unable to prove conspiracy to the standards of pressing charges because he could not show intent.

The outcome in terms of their actions at the end of the day was the same whether it's called "collusion" or not.

Read the Mueller report!

And Trump is the liar, this isn't up for debate, it's a very well documented fact.

Trump isn't addressing the China problems. Again he's lying about them.

He isn't taxing China. He's taking no action or proposing any new regulations on local companies to force them to employ locals.

The problem will always exist in the Republican version of Capitalism. Trump is not going to change that.

So he lies and says he's taxing China raising billions and billions.

No - the Russians contacted the Trump team and several met with a Russian lawyer. The team turned down her offer.

The Russian lawyer was given a visa in breach of regulations. It was a setup and the Trump campaign did not fall for it.

Its not that you don't know Sad One, its just that what you do know is wrong and you just don't care.

I was too ambiguous with that line.

They had contact with Russia.

But who do we have to believe that they turned down the offer on information?

And recently Trump said he'd break the law again if a foreign power came.to him with information...

It's mind boggling.

Your mind is already boggled!

Where and when did he break the law?

Here is Devin Nunes giving an excellent and HONEST summation of the failed Russian witchhunt.

Nunes is still Blaming Alexander Downer here ? come on there goes any credibility he may have had. Well in reality he had nothing to lose.

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