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Reply #240 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
More ridiculous prepared Greeny replies from the pair of doomsdayers. Why do these fools hold themselves up for ridicule so often ?   They make a good pair posting illegal Off Topic SPAM which is all their tiny shrunken minds are capable of.
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Reply #241 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:44pm
 
Now to rub the ignorant pair's snouts in their own Greeny stupidity.



Hydrogen cars 'on sale next year'
News World NewsMonday Monday 23 September 2019

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John Krafcik, president and CEO of Hyundai Motor America, introduces the Tucson Fuel Cell hydrogen-powered electric vehicle at the Los Angeles Auto Show (AP/Jae C Hong)

Cars that run on hydrogen and exhaust-only water vapor are emerging to challenge electric vehicles as the world's transportation of the future.

At motor shows on two continents three car makers have unveiled hydrogen fuel cell vehicles to be delivered to the public as early as next spring.

South Korea's Hyundai will be the first to the mass market in the US. It unveiled a hydrogen-powered Tucson small SUV at the Los Angeles Auto Show that will be leased to consumers.

Honda has also revealed plans in Los Angeles for a car due out in 2015. Earlier, at the Tokyo Motor Show, Toyota promised a mass-produced fuel cell car by 2015 in Japan and 2016 in the US.

Hydrogen cars are appealing because unlike electric vehicles, they have the range of a typical petrol car and can be refuelled quickly. Experts say the industry has also overcome safety and reliability concerns that have hindered distribution in the past.


But hydrogen cars still have a glaring downside - refuelling stations are scarce and costly to build.

Consumers can expect costs in line with some luxury models. In Tokyo, Toyota promised a price of $50,000 to $100,000, and as close to the lower figure as possible. That's comparable to its Lexus luxury sedans, but a range that makes the once space-age experiment with fuel cells more credible.

Hyundai says it will lease the Tucsons for 499 dollars (£312) a month for three years with 3,000 dollars (£1,800) down - and it is offering to pay the hydrogen and maintenance costs.

The company will start leasing in the Los Angeles area, where most of the state's nine fuelling stations are located. California has allocated 100 million dollars (£62.5m) to build 100 more stations. Japan's Honda would not reveal any pricing details.

Even as battery-powered and hybrid-electric cars took on conventional petrol models in the past decade, car makers continued research into hydrogen fuel cells, said Paul Mutolo, director of external partnerships for the Cornell University Energy Materials Centre. Manufacturers are now limited only by costs and the lack of filling stations, he said.

Hydrogen cars, Mr Mutolo said, have an advantage over battery-powered electric cars because drivers do not have to worry about running out of electricity and having to wait hours for recharging.

"It's very similar to the kind of behavior that drivers have come to expect from their gasoline cars," he said.


Hydrogen fuel cells use a complex chemical process to separate electrons and protons in hydrogen gas molecules. The electrons move toward a positive pole and the movement creates electricity. That powers a car's electric motor, which turns the wheels.

Since the hydrogen is not burned, there is no pollution. Instead, oxygen is also pumped into the system and when it meets the hydrogen ions and electrons, it creates water and heat. The only by-product is water.

A fuel cell produces only about one volt of electricity, so many are stacked to generate enough juice.

Hydrogen costs as little as three dollars (£1.80) for an amount needed to power a car the same distance as a gallon of gasoline, Mr Mutolo said.

Manufacturers will probably lose money on hydrogen cars at first, but costs will decrease as precious metals are reduced in the fuel cells, he said.

Toyota has said its new fuel cell vehicle will go on sale in Japan in 2015 and within a year later in Europe and the US. Its car is a "concept" model called FCV that looks similar to the Prius gas-electric hybrid.

Honda, which has leased about 24 fuel cell cars since 2005, took the wraps off a futuristic-looking FCEV concept vehicle in Los Angeles. It shows the style of a 300-mile range fuel cell car that will be marketed in the US and Japan in 2015.

Stephen Ellis, manager of fuel cell marketing for Honda, would not say where the vehicle would be marketed in the US, but he expects hydrogen fuelling stations to be abundant first in California, and then north east states.

He predicts it will take five years for the stations to reach significant numbers outside California, and up to 25 years to go nationwide.

Hyundai would not say how many fuel-cell Tucsons it expected to lease. The company believes fuel cells will power the next generation of cars, appealing to affluent, environmentally-conscious customers because affordable battery technology has not advanced enough
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"This is the sort of technology that makes batteries look old-fashioned," said the car maker's North American chief executive John Krafcik.

But sceptics say hydrogen fuelling stations are more expensive than electric car charging stations, partly because electricity is almost everywhere and new and safe ways for producing, storing and transferring hydrogen will be needed.

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Reply #242 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:44pm
 
Hydrogen is taking off just like petrol did 100's of years ago when it put the electric cars into the junk yards.

History is repeating itself.




How Toyota's Olympic buses are fuelling its hydrogen dream
18 Sept 2019

Sales of electric cars have undermined fuel cell vehicles, although Japan's government has promoted hydrogen use.

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The lack of recharging infrastructure has made it difficult for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles to gain popularity, but the fixed routes of buses make it easier to plan fuelling stations [File: Kim Kyung-Hoon/Reuters]

Buses may not be the most glamorous mode of transport but at the 2020 Tokyo Olympic Games, they will represent Toyota Motor Corp's best bet for wider acceptance of hydrogen power - a technology so far eclipsed by electric vehicles.

Japan's biggest carmaker plans to roll out 100 hydrogen fuel cell buses to shuttle visitors between venues, a stepping stone to a big ramp-up for the Beijing Winter Olympics in 2022.

There, more than 1,000 buses are planned in partnership with Beiqi Foton Motor Co, according to people familiar with the project, which aims to make the most of a push by China to start adopting the zero-emissions technology.

The plans to promote hydrogen with its exclusive Olympic "mobility" sponsorship deal - one Toyota holds until 2024 - underscore its determination to keep backing the technology. That is despite an increasing number of electric cars on the road and Toyota's own efforts to speed up EV development.

But its reliance on buses for hydrogen publicity also highlights the lack of traction for its fuel cell cars, and the risk that hydrogen-powered transport may never be more than a niche market despite a quarter-century of development and Japanese government backing.

Toyota has sold fewer than 10,000 of the Mirai, a fuel cell sedan it touted as a game-changer at its launch five years ago. Costing consumers about five million yen ($46,200) in Japan after subsidies, it is one of three fuel cell cars available to consumers. Hyundai Motor Co sells the Nexo, while Honda Motor Co Ltd leases out the Clarity.

Sales of the hydrogen-powered Toyota Mirai have underperformed Tesla Inc's all-electric Model S sedans
By contrast, Tesla Inc sold 25,000 of its all-electric Model S sedans in its first year and a half.

The disappointing Mirai sales reflect insufficient refuelling stations, consumer worries about resale values and concerns over the risk of hydrogen explosions. A hydrogen tank blast in South Korea that killed two in May was followed by another at a Norway hydrogen station in June.

"Hydrogen still has this image of being dangerous - that it might explode - and our aim with the Olympics is to erase this image," Masaaki Ito, Toyota's general manager of its olympic and paralympic division, told Reuters.

The company will also provide 500 Mirai sedans to ferry officials between venues at the Tokyo Olympics. "We want to expose the technology to as many people as possible."


Unfulfilled ambitions
Toyota, which is also developing fuel cell delivery trucks and big rigs, has not disclosed how much money it has poured into the technology but it has been emboldened by support from the Japanese government, which sees hydrogen as a key way to reduce its reliance on oil.

Both envision a "hydrogen society" where homes, trains, ships, and even lunar rovers can be powered by fuel cells that turn the invisible, odourless gas into electricity.

The city of Tokyo, which will showcase the Olympic village for athletes as a hydrogen society in miniature, is buying most of the buses for its Toei municipal transport service, with 15 already in operation.

Unlike cars, buses have fixed routes, making it easier to plan fuelling stations and give them a shot at being profitable.

Local and national government subsidies cover 80 percent of the cost, bringing them in line with the 23 million yen ($213,000) price tag for a regular diesel bus, a Toei representative said.

But lofty government goals remain unmet. Three years ago, Japan declared that by 2020 it wanted 40,000 fuel cell vehicles on the road and 160 hydrogen fuelling stations in operation.

Today, just 3,400 fuel cell vehicles have been sold in Japan and it has 109 hydrogen stations.

Though vital for fuel cell cars to catch on, the stations are not easy to build, costing five times as much as a gasoline stand. Due to stringent safety regulations, they also require large plots of land which are in scarce supply.

Relying on China
Yet for all the slow progress, some analysts do not fault Toyota's pursuit of hydrogen power, pointing to China's backing of the technology and its vast car market.

"China is actually moving ahead a lot faster and although they suffer the same issue with lack of refuelling infrastructure, China has shown in the past that they can get infrastructure done pretty quickly," said Janet Lewis, head of Asian car research at Macquarie.

For the Beijing Games, Toyota will supply powertrain components for the Foton buses. They will be emblazoned with "Powered by Toyota"

https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/toyota-olympic-buses-fueling-hydrogen-dream-1...
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Reply #243 - Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:46pm
 
Fence to keep the ignorant trolls out.
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Reply #244 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 12:49pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Fence to keep the ignorant trolls out.

you are the main ignorant troll here.
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Reply #245 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 1:07pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 23rd, 2019 at 7:44pm:
Hydrogen is taking off just like petrol did 100's of years ago when it put the electric cars into the junk yards.

History is repeating itself.




Yeh they are everywhere socko Cheesy LOL


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Reply #246 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 1:58pm
 
That epitome of ignorant stupidity, the totally warped Greeny Scunge, crawls out of the swamp to parade her unequaled legendary ignorance. 

Truly a classic Greeny that makes all normal people feel SO SUPERIOR when they look down on this poor creature that GOD has abandoned as not worth repairing.
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Reply #247 - Oct 6th, 2019 at 2:57pm
 
Poor old socko can't handle facts and the truth Cheesy LOL

Here are some more facts about electric buses and as usual Australia missed out on creating an industry out of it instead we have ripoff real estate deals and scumos banking mates pumping up the property bubble again Sad







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Reply #248 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
Smelly Scunge likes being humiliated as she has an inferiority complex.

That epitome of ignorant stupidity, the totally warped Greeny Scunge, crawls out of the swamp to parade her unequaled legendary ignorance.

Truly a classic Greeny that makes all normal people feel SO SUPERIOR when they look down on this poor wretched deformed creature that GOD has abandoned as not worth repairing.
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Reply #249 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
Pumping up a real estate bubble.
Keeping real estate agents in a job.
Throwing money at farmers in drought just to shut them up.

This is what we can expect from the conservatives. More do-nothing stand-for-nothing policies Sad
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Reply #250 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 11:34am
 
The idiotic loony Greeny fool scunge just cannot resist displaying how ignorant of just about everything she is.

She just wants to make the normal people who despise her feel superior.
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Reply #251 - Oct 7th, 2019 at 12:20pm
 
Where is the idiotic moronic Greeny Scunge ? Has she sunk and disappeared into her own muddy slush ?
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Reply #252 - Oct 8th, 2019 at 10:14pm
 
Oh look, the atmosphere is thinning.
We're running out of air.
Oh well. What's important is attacking Trump and watching news about China.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #253 - Oct 9th, 2019 at 11:20am
 
A highly apposite post by jasin.
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Reply #254 - Oct 10th, 2019 at 10:08am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 19th, 2019 at 7:01pm:
And just for light relief


https://i.postimg.cc/MKNrBqgY/resizer.jpg
An unsafe dangerous 2018 Tesla X writhing in agony as it burns to a crisp!!!!


you are nothing but a troll.
petrol cars explode more than EV's
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