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Reply #195 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 10:41am
 
Now ignoring the idiotic childish dribble from the inferiority complex Munkee and back to the TOPIC.

How appropriate, after this puerile trash a Hydrogen powered Rubbish truck. It might take Munkee away ?




First hydrogen-powered rubbish trucks
By Molly Burgess 13 April 2019

Baetsen-Groep and Cure Afvalbeheer will now begin collecting waste with a hydrogen refuse collection vehicle, built by E-Trucks Europe, in the Eindhoven region.

The vehicles were presented on 11th April (2019) at the Veldhoven City hall in the presence of the sustainability councillors of the Eindhoven Metropolitan Region.

The demonstration is the first in a series of ten in European cities. The rubbish trucks were built by E-Trucks Europe with support from Hydrogenics.

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Hydrogen powered garbage trucks.. Source: WaterstofNet

Both hydrogen vehicles are the first in Europe (together with a truck in Groningen), which received an official license plate and registration, and will be involved in daily waste collection operations.

The construction and demonstration of these garbage trucks is part of the Life ‘N Grab Hy! project that is coordinated by WaterstofNet.

Garbage trucks powered by hydrogen are zero-emission and silent. After collecting waste for two days, the vehicle is refuelled again in ten minutes at the WaterstofNet service station on the Automotive Campus in Helmond.

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https://www.gasworld.com/first-hydrogen-powered-rubbish-trucks-/2017007.article


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Reply #196 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 11:52am
 
Bad luck socko Cheesy LOL

This totally electric garbage truck made by BYD of china has beaten you to the mark  Wink Already in operation around the world Wink

Recharge from FREE rooftop solar energy at the depot. Never pay another cent for anyone else's stinken energy Wink



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Reply #197 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 12:25pm
 
Yeah, if the hydrogen is not sustainably generated they are pointless.

Still ICE vehicles—they will emit nitrous oxides, not zero emission. No CO2 emission—unless the hydrogen is made using fossil energy.

Momentum is clearly with EVs.
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Reply #198 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
Gosh the TWO lame brains are together displaying their total ignorance of just about everything.

Why do they hold themselves up for ridicule like this ? The Munkee was always not quite the full quid before he got suspended.

These ignorant fools cannot see the world is going hydrogen as real vehicles large and small are appearing now all over the world.

Hydrogen generation is becoming more efficient and cheaper as each year passes.

Electric toy cars are basically useless toys and electric is restricted to small vehicles as it is simply not practical in large vehicles and industrial machines as the enormous battery would take a week to recharge not to mention how extremely dangerous such a large lithium fire bomb would be!!!!

Now just to rub the ignorant fools snouts in it as UK goes HYDROGEN with quick refuel and no pollution unlike the dirty pollution spewing electric toy cars.





UK hydrogen fuel network grows with new pump on M40
Ed Wiseman 26 MARCH 2018 • 12:42PM

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The hydrogen pump at Beaconsfield is the first in Britain to be located 'under the canopy' with the fossil fuels CREDIT: ED ROBINSON

A new hydrogen pump has been installed at Beaconsfield services on the M40, the second on Britain’s motorway network and the first to be built ‘under the canopy’ at an existing petrol station.

The machine has been supplied to Shell by Sheffield-based energy company ITM Power. It can be used by motorists to refuell hydrogen fuel cell cars such as the Toyota Mirai, Hyundai Nexo and Honda Clarity.

Such cars use a fuel cell to convert hydrogen into electricity, which is then used to turn the wheels. The only emission from this process is pure, drinkable water, making hydrogen fuel cell cars ‘zero emission’ and among the very cleanest on the road.

This is the second hydrogen pump installed by Shell at one of its motorway service stations, but is the first to be among the fossil fuel pumps under the main canopy. At its other site, at Cobham services on the M25, the hydrogen pump is slightly separate from the main refuelling area.

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Hydrogen cars are quick to refuel, making them significantly more practical than battery-electric cars for many users CREDIT: ED ROBINSON

Read how hydrogen is taking the world by storm here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/uk-hydrogen-fuel-network-grows-new-pump-m4...
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Reply #199 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 1:50pm
 
EVs are storming ahead and hydrogen will be left in the dust.
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Reply #200 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 1:50pm
 
Just one nice hydrogen explosion and –fini– for hydrogen cars.
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Reply #201 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 2:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Sep 19th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Just one nice hydrogen explosion and –fini– for hydrogen cars.


Hydrogen is a zero-emissions technology and has none of the limititation of electric/battery vehicles.

LPG didn't have that issue and it's a very similar build to Hydrogen.

The thing is anyone can produce hydrogen for their car, it will never be a viable replacement for fossil fuels if it can't be so heavily controlled for profit.

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Reply #202 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:10pm
 
God what a combination, the Munkee from the GetUp! Propaganda Site and Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo.

They would not have a clue between them. No doubt they are both affected by Global Warming.

Now while these fools hold themselves up for ridicule its back to the TOPIC as the Chows show how it is done. Catalysts are the key.

Enormous research is going on all over the world getting ready to swing over to the exciting Hydrogen Energy revolution.

Hydrogen is seen as an energy storage for unreliable rubbishy renewables.

There is huge export opportunity for Australia to export hydrogen to Asia and japan.

The Hydrogen Energy Revolution is taking off all over the world while the useless filthy pollution spewing electric toy cars head towards the junk yards.




Chinese scientists find cheaper way to make hydrogen fuel
Xinhua | Updated: 2019-04-21 02:53

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A fuel cell-powered bus is parked at a hydrogen filling station in Foshan city, South China's Guangdong province, Aug 22, 2017. [Photo/IC]

HEFEI -- Chinese scientists have found a cheaper way to produce hydrogen energy by developing a new catalyst.

The catalyst was developed by scientists from the University of Science and Technology of China, who used an alloy to improve the activity and stability of a kind of precious metal catalyst.

The new catalyst can greatly cut the cost of hydrogen production through electrolysis of water compared with Iridium dioxide, a catalyst that is widely used in production, according to the researchers.

As a clean energy, hydrogen has huge potential in industries including new energy vehicles and electricity generation.

The research on the catalyst provides a new direction for other similar scientific issues, said Wu Yuen, head of the research team.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201904/21/WS5cbb6ab6a3104842260b758e.html
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Reply #203 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:14pm
 
And in Germany Hydrogen is flourishing.



Germany: Saxony First Hydrogen Service Station Launch By H2 MOBILITY
Friday, 21 September 2018

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Germany: Saxony First Hydrogen Service Station Launch By H2 MOBILITY

H2 MOBILITY, with support from the European Union built the new hydrogen facility.

The first hydrogen fuel station in Saxony was kicked off at the TOTAL fuel service station in Dresden, one of the first 50 hydrogen (H2) service stations in Germany and an important contribution to enable eco-friendly electromobility for fuel cell vehicles.

With refueling capacity for up to 40 vehicles per day, Air Liquide produces the technology for the new hydrogen facility at the TOTAL service station in Dresden. Joint venture H2 MOBILITY, formed by the companies Air Liquide, Daimler, Linde, OMV, Shell, and TOTAL has the primary goal to operate 100 stations in metropolitan areas in Germany and along motorways and highways by 2019. As the vehicle numbers are ramped up, another 300 hydrogen fuel stations will follow.

H2 MOBILITY has received funding, For the establishment of the hydrogen station in Dresden, from the European Commission’s trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T CEF) within the project Connecting Hydrogen Refuelling Stations (COHRS). Thanks to the Clean Energy Partnership (CEP), an association of industrial representatives of diverse sectors funded by the German government within the scope of the National Innovation Program Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Technology (NIP), the development of Germany’s H2 network had advanced significantly in the past years. The federal government is also an associated partner of H2 MOBILITY, within the framework of the NOW GmbH.

No local pollutants or CO2 emissions are caused by eco-friendly electromobility using hydrogen. A high level of driving convenience is offered as a result of short refueling times and long ranges. With enough fuel for a reach of up to 800 kilometers, fuel cell vehicles can be refueled in under five minutes.

Stefan Brangs, State Secretary in the Saxon State Ministry for Economic Affairs, Labor and Transport remarked that to become modern and smart, cities must develop sustainable mobility concepts. “Hydrogen from renewable energies – preferably produced in the region – is certainly a key technology for the electromobility of the future. Therefore, I am pleased to see that the white spots on the map in eastern and central Germany are slowly becoming smaller and that there are more and more public hydrogen fuel stations. Because the establishment of a dense European network of hydrogen service stations is the basic prerequisite for more people switching to this type of drive.”

Nikolas Iwan, CEO of H2 MOBILITY, said, ”Hydrogen offers an electromobility solution without restrictions: dynamic acceleration, short refueling times and ranges comparable to conventional cars. We are delighted that more and more hydrogen pioneers are taking advantage of our fast-growing service station network. There will be 100 stations by the end of 2019!” PWKD21092018

https://www.petrolworld.com/alternative-fuels/item/30815-germany-saxony-first-hy...
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Reply #204 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:14pm
 
As future gazers like me have been predicting, in China they are already abandoning the useless dangerous very inconvenient dirty pollution spewing electric toy cars.




China’s Electric Vehicle Industry Hit Hard by Policy Shift as Beijing Turns Toward Hydrogen Fuel
BY OLIVIA LI, EPOCH TIMES April 12, 2019 Updated: April 16, 2019Share

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Electric cars charge at a Sinopec service station in Hangzhou, in China's eastern Zhejiang province on Jan. 14, 2019. The service station is one of the first in the country to offer petrol, compressed natural gas (CNG) and electric car charging service. (STR/AFP/Getty Images)
   
China’s electric vehicle (EV) industry has been booming for nearly a decade, with generous subsidies from the Chinese government and state-sponsored marketing efforts.

However, the research and development (R&D) subsidies are now shifting to vehicles with hydrogen fuel cells, a new technology that, according to industry, is cleaner and more efficient than lithium battery-run cars. Current EV automakers in China will have to face the cruel reality: The EV industry will soon suffer financial losses with the disappearance of state support.


Chinese Regime Shifting Subsidies
On March 26, China’s Ministry of Finance, Ministry of Science and Technology, and other agencies jointly announced changes to the subsidy program for lithium battery-powered electric cars, slashing subsidies by 67 percent.

Electric cars with driving ranges of 400 kilometers (250 miles) and above will be cut by half, to 25,000 yuan ($3,700) per vehicle, from 50,000 yuan. And to qualify for any subsidy, electric cars need to have a range of at least 250 kilometers, compared with 150 kilometers previously.

In addition, subsidies for EV vehicles will be phased out completely after 2020.


The Trigger: Li’s Trip to Japan
Chinese Premier Li Keqiang’s visit to Japan in 2018 fundamentally changed his thinking about electric vehicles.

Li visited Toyota Motor Corp.’s factory for manufacturing EV auto parts in Hokkaido on May 11, 2018, and saw a hydrogen fuel-cell vehicle called “MIRAI.” He learned that the MIRAI, which takes only three to four minutes to fuel, has a 650 kilometer (404 miles) driving range.

According to several Chinese media reports, upon Li’s return to China, several ministries and commissions in China quickly assembled a team to develop hydrogen fuel-cell technology, the first signal that China’s policymakers would make the fuel cells a major R&D project.

A lithium battery has several drawbacks when compared with a hydrogen fuel cell, which uses hydrogen gas as power.

Lithium batteries contain heavy metals such as nickel, cobalt, and manganese, and the mining process to extract such metals can cause pollution to nearby water sources. Meanwhile, processing of copper, lithium, and other metals create toxic waste that, if not treated and recycled properly, can cause serious environmental problems.


On March 15, China’s cabinet-like State Council publicized 83 amendments to its annual Government Work Report delivered before its rubber-stamp legislature. Among them was a provision to promote the construction of infrastructure related to electric and hydrogen fuel-cell technology. At the time, there were no additional policy details, but it was the first time that hydrogen fuel was included in the report.

Eleven days later, the Chinese government announced the new EV subsidy policies.

On April 11, the state-run, English-language newspaper China Daily reported that the central authorities’ development plan for hydrogen fuel technology set targets of getting 5,000 hydrogen energy vehicles on the road by 2020, 50,000 by 2025, and 1 million by 2030.

Subsidy Reductions
China’s EV automakers are already losing money.

For example, Chinese automaker BYD is a star brand in the domestic market. BYD started new energy vehicle (NEV) R&D 10 years ago.

According to Chinese news portal Sohu, citing information from BYD’s financial reports, in the past five years, the company has received a total of 6.93 billion yuan ($1.03 billion) in electric vehicle subsidies from the Chinese regime.

But the industry’s profitability was already falling. In BYD’s 2018 annual report released on March 27, the company’s net profit attributable to shareholders was 2.78 billion yuan, down 31.6 percent from the previous year. BYD explained that decline was mainly due to the reduction in subsidies and increases in R&D costs.

In early March, NIO (known as Shanghai Weilai Automobile in Chinese), which specializes in making electric autonomous vehicles and became publicly listed only half a year ago, reported revenue of 4.951 billion yuan ($738 million) in 2018 while net losses were 9.639 billion yuan ($1.44 billion). In addition, NIO also announced that it would cancel plans to build a new plant in Shanghai.


Read the rest of the closing down of the useless electric toy junk cars here

https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-electric-vehicle-industry-hit-hard-by-sudde...
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Reply #205 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
juliar wrote on Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
The Hydrogen Energy Revolution is taking off all over the world while
the useless filthy pollution spewing electric toy cars head towards the junk yards.




There will be business for both types of vehicle.
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Reply #206 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:18pm
 
Bobby must be thinking of electric bikes and scooters you see on the footpath.
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Reply #207 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:55pm
 
Hydrogen here there and everywhere.

When will ScoMo jump on the Hydrogen band wagon ?




Germany's hydrogen stations exceed US; California beats Japan on density
John Voelcker JOHN VOELCKER FEBRUARY 21, 2018

As of today, there are 39 hydrogen fueling stations in the U.S., all but four of them in the state of California.

They serve roughly 39 million Californians, whereas 284 million Americans outside the state have no access to hydrogen fuel-cell cars nor stations at which to refill them.

Germany, on the other hand, has 83 million residents—and 45 hydrogen fueling stations that are accessible to the public (though some require prior notice).


DON'T MISS: GM suggests Congress fund EV charging, Toyota asks for hydrogen fueling support

Japan leads the way on hydrogen stations, however, which is hardly surprising given that two of the three makers now offering hydrogen vehicles to the public are from that country.

That country now has 91 hydrogen stations, according to an assessment by H2Stations reported by FuelCellWorks last Wednesday, to serve a population of 127 million people.

The article notes that Germany had the highest rate of increase last year, adding 24 operating stations to the 2016 total of 21.


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2015 Hyundai Tucson Fuel Cell, 2016 Toyota Mirai at hydrogen fueling station, Fountain Valley, CA

Another way to put the numbers into perspective is by land mass: California has 164,000 square miles, Japan has 146,000 square miles, and Germany has 138,000.

Summarized, Germany has 45 stations in the most compact area, serving twice as many people as the 35 now operating in California.

Japan's 91 hydrogen stations serve three times as many people as California's 35.

It struck us a useful metric might be to calculate the number of hydrogen stations spread over the product of the number of residents and area served.

Those results provide a somewhat different story on the relative density of hydrogen stations versus the overall number.

Even after accounting for its larger area, California has the highest number of hydrogen stations per trillion residents per square mile: 5.5 as of today.

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Mercedes-Benz GLC F-Cell

The comparable figure for Japan is 4.9, and Germany lags somewhat at 3.9. (Though some may argue the stations should be considered only by population, not by both people and area, which is a justifiable position.)

Other factors make this analysis loose at best: California may have more drivers among its residents than Germany or Japan, which have the functioning mass-transit networks that the Golden State lacks.

Both California and Japan also include substantial regions of uninhabited mountainous terrain, however, with their populations more concentrated on the coasts.

Still, as Honda, Hyundai, and Toyota soon to produce thousands of hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles a year for public sale or lease, the question of fuel availability will remain key to their potential for adoption.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115396_germanys-hydrogen-stations-exceed-u...
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Reply #208 - Sep 19th, 2019 at 7:01pm
 
And just for light relief


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Reply #209 - Sep 20th, 2019 at 5:55am
 
juliar wrote on Sep 19th, 2019 at 6:10pm:
God what a combination, the Munkee from the GetUp! Propaganda Site and Skippy the Greeny Kangyroo.


This is what I don't understand about you.  We actually agree on this topic, yet you're still attacking?

But you're such a victim of trolling...

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