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⮞ Dershowitz: Mueller blew it on obstruction ⮜
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Dershowitz says: No Obstruction







Rudy Giuliani: No Reason To Dispute Mueller's Report







No Obstruction.....No Collusion.......................Nothing Illegal/Criminal  Wink

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Reply #1 - May 1st, 2019 at 1:34pm
 

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Reply #2 - May 1st, 2019 at 2:10pm
 
Dershowitz is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz is also a player in the Jeffrey Epstein sex slavery crimes.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:10pm:
Dershowitz is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz is also a player in the Jeffrey Epstein sex slavery crimes.


He is a scholar of United States Constitutional & Criminal Law......Dershowitz also voted for Hillary Clinton, he represented Mike Tyson & Patty Hearst, & he got OJ Simpson acquitted too.........He successful appealed Claus von Bülow's murder conviction......He's is a Civil Libertarian, & took on many, many controversial cases, because as an American Law Professor, & one of America's most highly regarded Legal minds, he believes all Americans deserve the best legal representation, regardless of perceived guilt. Wink

Prove him wrong on the legal issues.......I don't subscribe to his political positions, but legally, Professor Dershowitz is virtually faultless.......
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Reply #4 - May 1st, 2019 at 2:41pm
 
READ THE REPORT!

Seriously Panther, it's all there.
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Reply #5 - May 1st, 2019 at 2:43pm
 
Panther wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:10pm:
Dershowitz is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz is also a player in the Jeffrey Epstein sex slavery crimes.


Dershowitz also voted for Hillary Clinton, he represented Mike Tyson & Patty Hearst, & he got OJ Simpson acquitted too.........he's is a Civil Libertarian, & took on many controversial cases, because as an American Law Professor, & one of the most highly regarded American Lawyers, he believes all Americans deserve the best legal representation, regardless of perceived guilt. Wink

Prove him wrong on the legal issues.......I don't subscribe to his political positions, but legally, Professor Dershowitz is virtually faultless.......
  Wink


Dershowitz is connected to Donald Trump through Jeffrey Epstein, the sex slaver, and is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz was Jeffrey Epstein's guest on many occasions.
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Reply #6 - May 1st, 2019 at 2:52pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:43pm:
Panther wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:10pm:
Dershowitz is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz is also a player in the Jeffrey Epstein sex slavery crimes.


He is a scholar of United States Constitutional & Criminal Law......Dershowitz also voted for Hillary Clinton, he represented Mike Tyson & Patty Hearst, & he got OJ Simpson acquitted too.........He successful appealed Claus von Bülow's murder conviction......He's is a Civil Libertarian, & took on many, many controversial cases, because as an American Law Professor, & one of America's most highly regarded Legal minds, he believes all Americans deserve the best legal representation, regardless of perceived guilt.  Wink

Prove him wrong on the legal issues.......I don't subscribe to his political positions, but legally, Professor Dershowitz is virtually faultless.......  Wink



Dershowitz is connected to Donald Trump through Jeffrey Epstein, the sex slaver, and is a blatant Trump stooge.

Dershowitz was Jeffrey Epstein's guest on many occasions.


So, the illegality in that? Your insinuation(s) have nothing whatsoever to do with his positions on the law, or whether Trump  committed obstruction or not.......it's the law that matters most to Professor Dershowitz, not the guilt or innocence of the accused. So far, all his legal predictions regarding President Trump have been correct......  Wink
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Dershowitz is dismissed as a blatant stooge by reputable media.
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Laugh till you cry wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:55pm:
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Reply #9 - May 1st, 2019 at 3:04pm
 
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:41pm:
READ THE REPORT!

Seriously Panther, it's all there.


Seeings as though you read the report

Why dont you go right ahead and site the specific entry

That says Trump is guilty of ANY crime ..

Aaaaaaaaaaand we know you cant so sit back down ..

Blah blah blah
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Reply #10 - May 1st, 2019 at 3:19pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 3:04pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:41pm:
READ THE REPORT!

Seriously Panther, it's all there.


Seeings as though you read the report

Why dont you go right ahead and site the specific entry

That says Trump is guilty of ANY crime ..


Aaaaaaaaaaand we know you cant so sit back down ..

Blah blah blah

Spot on!!!   
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Yer good Light.....ya beat me to the punch.....I was gunna let it simmer a bit before I broadsided him myself.....

Well Sad......yer specific Mueller Report quotes/citations....???   ...
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Reply #11 - May 3rd, 2019 at 2:06pm
 
this is how it works.
Mueller says he is not in position to make claim if Trumped committed obstruction of justice, that is up to the congress to decide.  But he has 40 pages to report what Trump personally did to make sure the investigation was stopped or difficult to proceed.  One or two details may not seems much, but accumulation of many actions in 40 pages made it seems big.
One argue that Mueller should have made the call.
Another argue AG Barr purposely left this out from his summary, claimed that Trump is cleared based on his summary, and he is in trouble for it.  Also note that this is not his first time to hide the full report and release only summary.  Lets say he is the Republican's go-to man to hide incriminating report.

so we are still far from decision if Trump will be indicted.  The drama now is around the report itself.  People go on tv making judgement left and right, obviously without reading the reports.

Lets just say even if Trump guilty, there are so many cases where most people ended up with no charges laid, he may as well ended up serving his full term.
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Reply #12 - May 3rd, 2019 at 5:50pm
 
Robert Mueller was hired by the DOJ by its Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, as Special Counsel/Special Prosecutor for the DOJ.

Mueller therefore worked for the DOJ.....specifically the Attorney General, who at the time was represented by the AG's Deputy, Rod Rosenstein, because Jeff Sessions, the then AG, had recused himself. When William Barr was sworn in as the US Attorney General, Robert Mueller reported to, & answered to him.

Now, if Mueller found criminal activity, he would indict & prosecute, at the direction of the Attorney General. Naturally, if he found none, he doesn't/wouldn't prosecute.

A prosecutor does not establish innocence. That is never the special prosecutors/special counsel's function. The sole function of a prosecutor is to indict based on alleged criminal activity through the findings of a Grand Jury.

His charge, the premise he was to investigate, is black or white, yes or no, true or false.....he doesn't deal in gray areas.

Under American Law, & most Law for that matter, all prosecutors start with the premise that any & all subjects of an investigation are innocent.

If the prosecutor does not prosecute, then that is in itself a clear indication that his investigation found no criminal activity.

Finding no illegal activity,  activity to cause a prosecutor to charge a subject with a crime, & closing the investigation, can mean but one thing.......the subject(s) that were not charged by the prosecutor are innocent of any & all wrongdoings that were the center of the investigation.

The Prosecutor makes no declaration as such, it goes without saying. Wink

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Reply #13 - May 4th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
Panther wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 3:19pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 3:04pm:
ProudKangaroo wrote on May 1st, 2019 at 2:41pm:
READ THE REPORT!

Seriously Panther, it's all there.


Seeings as though you read the report

Why dont you go right ahead and site the specific entry

That says Trump is guilty of ANY crime ..


Aaaaaaaaaaand we know you cant so sit back down ..

Blah blah blah

Spot on!!!   
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Yer good Light.....ya beat me to the punch.....I was gunna let it simmer a bit before I broadsided him myself.....

Well Sad......yer specific Mueller Report quotes/citations....???   http://33sm.net16.net/smileys/Wait003.gif


Of course I do.  Unlike many on here, I don't simply make things up.  Most of this is taken from the Executive Summary to Volume II of the report (pages 215+).

I've said that the report outlines Trump's wrongdoing.  I stand by that because it's true.  But many are demanding I show "Trump's Crimes".  I said wrongdoing, let's be clear.  I know putting words in my mouth is a clear attempt to say "but there was no conviction, therefore there is no crime" but I said wrongdoing, not a crime.  Your attempt to dismiss the facts by playing word games will not work.

From page 215+ of the report:

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The Campaign’s response to reports about Russian support for Trump.
During the 2016 presidential campaign, questions arose about the Russian government's apparent support for candidate Trump. After WikiLeaks released politically damaging Democratic Party emails that were reported to have been hacked by Russia, Trump publicly expresses skepticism that Russia was responsible for the hacks at the same time that he and other Campaign officials privately sought information [Harm to Ongoing Matter] about any further planned WikiLeaks releases. Trump also denied having any business in or connections to Russia, even though as late as June 2016 the Trump Organization had been pursuing a licensing deal for a skyscraper to be built in Russia called Trump Tower Moscow. After the election, the President expressed concerns to advisers that reports of Russia’s election interference might lead the public to question the legitimacy of his election


Trump lied about his ties with Russia not only throughout the election campaign but during investigations into the Russian involvement.

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Conduct involving FBI Director Comey and Michael Flynn.
In mid-January 2017, incoming National Security Adviser Michael Flynn falsely denied to the Vice President, other administration officials, and FBI agents that he had talked to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak about Russia’s response to U.S. sanctions on Russia for its election interference.  On January 27, the day after the President was told that Flynn had lied to the Vice President and had made similar statements to the FBI, the President invited FBI Director Comey to a private dinner at the White House and told Comey that he needed loyalty. On February 14, the day after the President requested Flynn’s resignation, the President told an outside adviser, “Now that we fired Flynn, the Russia thing is over.” The adviser disagreed and said the investigations would continue.

Later that afternoon, the President clear the Oval Office to have a one-on-one meeting with Comey. Referring to the FBI’s investigation of Flynn, the President said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go,” Shortly after requesting Flynn’s resignation and speaking privately to Comey, the President sought to have Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland draft an internal letter stating that the President had not directed Flynn to discuss sanctions with Kislyak. McFarland declined because she did not know whether that was true, and a White House Counsel’s Office attorney thought that the request would look like a quid pro quo for an ambassadorship she had been offered.


So we have another example of Trump trying to stop the investigation but those around him refusing to follow his orders.  This also helps build the case for his intent when it comes to the investigation.
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The President’s reaction to the continuing Russia investigation.
In February 2017, Attorney General Jeff Sessions began to assess whether he had to recuse himself from campaign-related investigations because of his role in the Trump Campaign. In early March, the President told White House Counsel Donald McGahn to stop sessions from recusing. And after Sessions announced his recusal on March 2, the President expressed anger at the decision and told advisers that he should have an Attorney General who would protect him. That weekend, the President took Sessions aside at an event and urged him to “unrecuse.” Later in March, Comey publicly disclosed at a congressional hearing that the FBI was investigating “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” including any links or coordination between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign. In the following days, the President reached out to the Director of National Intelligence and the leaders of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA) to ask them what they could do to publicly dispel the suggestion that the President had any connection to the Russian election-interference effort. The President also twice called Comey directly, notwithstanding guidance from McGahn to avoid direct contacts with the Department of Justice. Comey had previously assured the President that the FBI was not investigating him personally, and the President asked Comey to “lift the cloud” of the Russia investigation by saying that publicly.


Again the Trump is taking actions to interfere with the investigation and public opinion, again showing his clear intent.

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The President’s termination of Comey.
On May 3, 2017, Comey testified in a congressional hearing, but declined to answer questions about whether the President was personally under investigation. Within days, the President decide to terminate Comey. The President insisted that the termination letter, which was written for public release, state that Comey had informed the President that he was not under investigation. The day of the firing, the White House maintained that Comey’s termination resulted from independent recommendations from the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General that Comey should be discharged from mishandling the Hillary Clinton email investigation. But the President had decided to fire Comey before hearing form the Department of Justice. The day after firing Comey, the President told Russian officials that he had “faced great pressure because of Russia,” which had been “taken off” by Comey’s firing. The next day, the President acknowledged in a television interview that he was going to fire Comey regardless of the Department of Justice’s recommendation and that when he “decided to just do it,” he was thinking that “this thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”

In response to a question about whether he was angry with Comey about the Russia investigation, the President said, “As far as I’m concerned, I want that thing to be absolutely done properly,” adding that firing Comey “might even lengthen out the investigation.”


So again, we have Trump firing people who won't break the rules and do what he wants.  What he wants is to prevent the investigation from continuing, "obstructing it" if you will, again showing his clear intent towards this matter.

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The appointment of Special Counsel and efforts to remove him.
On May 17, 22017, the Acting Attorney General for the Russia investigation appointed a Special Counsel to conduct the investigation and related matters. The President reacted to news that Special Counsel had been appointed by telling advisers that it was “the end of his presidency” and demanding that Sessions resign. Sessions submitted his resignation but the President ultimately did not accept it. The President told aides that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and suggested that Special Counsel therefore could not serve. The President’ advisers told him the asserted conflicts were meritless and had already been considered by the Department of Justice.


Trump continues to make the claim publicly and via Twitter of the conflicts of interest with the Special Council, again showing that even though he'd been told the facts, he still wanted to discredit and try to halt, or obstruct, the investigation.

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On June 14, 2017, the media reported that the Special Counsel’s Office was investigating whether the President had obstructed justice. Press reports called this “a major turning point” in the investigation: while Comey had told the President he was not under investigation, following Comey’s firing, the President now was under investigation. The President reacted to his news with a series of tweets criticizing the Department of Justice and the special Counsel’s investigation. On June 17, 2107, the President called McGahn at home and directed him to call the Acting Attorney General and say that the Special Counsel had conflicts of interest and must be removed. McGahn did not carry about the direction, however, deciding that the would resign rather than trigger what he regarded as a potential Saturday Night Massacre.


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