PZ547 wrote on Apr 28
th, 2019 at 12:45pm:
Posted a similar thread yesterday which included 'water cremations', 'natural burials' and a few others
Not a popular topic judging from the few (if any) responses other than Ajax intoning something from the Bible
We have to start thinking of death and burials differently, but it's a touchy subject which is understandable
We're squeamish, for a start. These days, undertakers are employed to turn bodies into something presentable and dignified -- then we can place flowers at the grave and it's all 'seemly'
the reality is, we begin decomposing a few seconds after death -- eight or six seconds, can't remember
the spirit has left the body and what's left is as meaningless as the old t-shirt we throw in the recycling bin or the rusting old cars in the wrecker's yard
but it's hard to remain detached when it's the empty body of someone/something we loved and cherished
70% of all body-disposal in Australia is via cremation, according to yesterday's article. So we're doing our best. And it's no easy thing to cremate, i.e., burn to ash, the body of someone we kissed last week. It's been a problem confronting humans since time began. They placed grave gifts and gifts for the afterlife in with the bodies, and flowers, ochre and other symbols of love from the living to those they'd lost
The freeze-dry method appeals to me the most, but it's not available in Australia currently. I read about it ten years or so ago, so was happy to find it amongst future body-disposal methods. The body is frozen, then smashed to bits by lasers, then freeze dried to remove moisture. Then the dried flakes can be disposed of anyway the mourners like. A nice send-off would be to send the freeze dried flakes up in fireworks, although there's bound to be objections on ecological grounds any day now
others have paid to send their loved-one's remains (not the entire body, surely) to be compressed to form -- eventually -- a diamond in any colour the mourner chooses. The gem can then be fashioned into an item of jewellery. Some would like that, others not, and there's always the chance the jewellery item could be stolen, lost
The composting of human bodies popularity remains to be seen. Doubt I'd want to turn any of my loved-ones into compost, practical or not
but at least we're having the conversation which is more than they get in China. A few months back I launched a thread about 'Burial Free China' and again, don't think it got much attention. The linked article showed Chinese authorities burning coffins to get the message through. In the article, it said that for rural Chinese in particular, owning one's own coffin while still alive was popular for those who could afford it. It spared mourners the expense of finding a coffin when someone died. So a lot of the coffins shown being burned by Chinese authorities were of the coffins-in-advance type. One guy refused to get out of the coffin he'd slaved and saved to pay for in preparation for his own demise. So he, along with his coffin, was tossed onto the bonfire by teh authorities -- again, to get the message through
Here in Oz, alternative forms of body-disposal are still in the softly-softly stage -- getting us used to other than marble monuments and acres of buried corpses. We have plenty of land in Oz and much of it is not much use for agriculture, so our authorities don't feel the need to be as radical as their Chinese counterparts
a symbolic cremation such as they have every minute on the banks of the Ganges, where scented wood is prohibitively expensive and where mourners can only afford a few pieces of it, results in partially burned bodies being tipped into the waiting gaws of overfed crocodiles. That would take a strong stomach
as would another form of body-disposal in India, whereby the bodies are placed on shelves atop circular, purpose build structures, the intention being for vultures to devour the bodies placed high in open air. Similar to Tibet, where wood is scarce and the ground hard and rocky
tough subject, but currently we have 8 billion human bodies which will need to be disposed of within at most, one hundred years
firing them into a black hole sounds ideal. Not sure we have the technology. But it would satisfy a lot of human needs -- sending our loved-ones into the cosmos being but one
If you saw what water cremations did to the Ganges you wouldn't be entertaining that idea as beneficial to our water environments.
We struggle to keep our sewage out of it.
In the last 30 years every funeral I have attended be the person young or old.... they have been cremations.
So seems many are OK with it ....better than rotting in the ground and ashes are often spread elsewhere in favouritespecial places.
Can't just throw bodies anywhere you like.