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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: One million species Reply #15 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 9:18am Valkie wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 8:38am: simple cure reduce the worlds population by at least 3/4. do you think that will stop business destroying land for a profit ?
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Reply #16 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:09am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 9:18am:

do you think that will stop business destroying land for a profit ? Wink

Maybe the archbishops of Anthropogenic Global Warming are correct when they say,

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“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle-class … involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts of frozen and convenience foods, ownership of motor vehicles, small electric appliances, home and work place air- conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable .… A shift is necessary toward lifestyles less geared to environmental damaging consumption patterns.”

Maurice Strong who spearheaded the 1991 Rio Earth Summit wrote in the U.N.’s Conference on Environmental Development (UNCED) report

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsiblity to bring that about?"

- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme

"If we don't change, our species will not survive... Frankly, we may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrial civilization to collapse."

-Maurice Strong quoted in the September 1, 1997 edition of National Review magazine

Maurice saviour of the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GykzQWlXJs

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Reply #17 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:29am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/25/the-world-lost-a-belgium-sized-area-of-prim...

The tropics lost 12 million hectares of tree cover in 2018, the fourth-highest annual loss since record-keeping began in 2001. Of greatest concern is the disappearance of 3.6 million hectares of primary rainforest, an area the size of Belgium. The figures come from updated data from the University of Maryland, released today on Global Forest Watch.
Old growth, or “primary” tropical rainforests, are a crucially important forest ecosystem, containing trees that can be hundreds or even thousands of years old. They store more carbon than other forests and are irreplaceable when it comes to sustaining biodiversity. Primary rainforests provide habitat for animals ranging from orangutans and mountain gorillas to jaguars and tigers. Once these forests are cut down, they may never return to their original state.

This certainly wont be helping the fight for these animals to stay alive. Wink

You will have to teach those subsistence farmers who burn, crop and move on that their way of life is not sustainable. That they should quietly go the way of the dodo.

" Tropical forests represent 31% of global ice-free land surface area, and harbor 50% of all known plant species; therefore there is a great deal of biodiversity within tropical forest regions."

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/tropical-zone

Area of Belgium less than 31,000 sq Km.

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Reply #18 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:39am

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:29am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 7:39am:

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/25/the-world-lost-a-belgium-sized-area-of-prim...

The tropics lost 12 million hectares of tree cover in 2018, the fourth-highest annual loss since record-keeping began in 2001. Of greatest concern is the disappearance of 3.6 million hectares of primary rainforest, an area the size of Belgium. The figures come from updated data from the University of Maryland, released today on Global Forest Watch.
Old growth, or “primary” tropical rainforests, are a crucially important forest ecosystem, containing trees that can be hundreds or even thousands of years old. They store more carbon than other forests and are irreplaceable when it comes to sustaining biodiversity. Primary rainforests provide habitat for animals ranging from orangutans and mountain gorillas to jaguars and tigers. Once these forests are cut down, they may never return to their original state.

This certainly wont be helping the fight for these animals to stay alive. Wink

You will have to teach those subsistence farmers who burn, crop and move on that their way of life is not sustainable. That they should quietly go the way of the dodo.

" Tropical forests represent 31% of global ice-free land surface area, and harbor 50% of all known plant species; therefore there is a great deal of biodiversity within tropical forest regions."

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/tropical-zone

Area of Belgium less than 31,000 sq Km.

yup 31.000 sq KM would be 3.1 Million Hectares Wink

so all up it was 4 times the size of Belgium lost last year of tropic forest. Wink

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21358 Gender:	Re: One million species Reply #19 - Apr 26^th, 2019 at 2:31pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:39am: yup 31.000 sq KM would be 3.1 Million Hectares so all up it was 4 times the size of Belgium lost last year of tropic forest. And still next to nothing in the overall scheme of things.
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Reply #20 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:19am

lee wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 2:31pm:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:39am:

yup 31.000 sq KM would be 3.1 Million Hectares so all up it was 4 times the size of Belgium lost last year of tropic forest.

And still next to nothing in the overall scheme of things.

120,000 sq KM's of lost habitat for animals in just one year and your saying that is nothing....

I suppose next your going to say that would have no impact on animals becoming extinct.... Cheesy

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Reply #21 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 12:54pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:19am:

120,000 sq KM's of lost habitat for animals in just one year and your saying that is nothing....

out of how many petal?

Now then how about the greening of he planet is that taken into account. What about indigenous slash and burn, when they move on?

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:19am:

suppose next your going to say that would have no impact on animals becoming extinct

Like all your suppositions -- Incorrect. Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53299 At my desk.	Re: One million species Reply #22 - May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:42pm lee wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 6:26pm: oh could? According to the International Union for Conservation of Nature it is about 27,000. or about 27%. https://www.iucnredlist.org/ 27% of species might go extinct? Why do you think that is funny?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21358 Gender:	Re: One million species Reply #23 - May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:49pm freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:42pm: 27% of species might go extinct? Why do you think that is funny? Yep. A modelled study. Now tell us what were the underlying assumptions. All of them. Remember all of the assumptions must be true for the conclusions to be true.
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Reply #24 - May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:40pm

lee wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:49pm:

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:42pm:

27% of species might go extinct? Why do you think that is funny?

Yep. A modelled study. Now tell us what were the underlying assumptions. All of them.

Remember all of the assumptions must be true for the conclusions to be true.

Thats an example of the Nirvana logical fallacy.

It;s also interesting that lee holds other people's evidence up to a MUCH higher standard than his own.
He's quite happy to post from whatsupwiththat

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Reply #25 - May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Thats an example of the Nirvana logical fallacy.

No petal. That is exactly how models work. The number of assumptions may vary, but they all have to be "true" for the output to be "true". Imagine modelling a plane with 3 out of 6 assumptions "true". It would probably fly like a rock.

The_Barnacle wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:40pm:

It;s also interesting that lee holds other people's evidence up to a MUCH higher standard than his own.

What evidence was presented?

The_Barnacle wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:40pm:

He's quite happy to post from whatsupwiththat

Have I? Where?

Not that is necessarily a bad thing. But it is easier for Barney to shoot the messenger than the message. Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53299 At my desk.	Re: One million species Reply #26 - May 5^th, 2019 at 1:18pm lee wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:49pm: freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 12:42pm: 27% of species might go extinct? Why do you think that is funny? Yep. A modelled study. Now tell us what were the underlying assumptions. All of them. Remember all of the assumptions must be true for the conclusions to be true. No.
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Reply #27 - May 5^th, 2019 at 1:39pm

lee wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:50pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:40pm:

Thats an example of the Nirvana logical fallacy.

No petal. That is exactly how models work. The number of assumptions may vary, but they all have to be "true" for the output to be "true". Imagine modelling a plane with 3 out of 6 assumptions "true". It would probably fly like a rock.

That's EXACTLY how the nirvana logical fallacy works.
You will claim some pedantic error and then assume that this discredit's the whole study. It is the classic MO of the climate denialists.
In reality any variance in the assumptions will make a variance in the outcome. Species are still going extinct, your semantic arguments won't stop this.

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Reply #28 - May 5^th, 2019 at 1:57pm

.The_Barnacle wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 1:39pm:

In reality any variance in the assumptions will make a variance in the outcome

yes Petal. That's the problem with modelled studies. The underlying assumptions.

The_Barnacle wrote on May 5^th, 2019 at 1:39pm:

Species are still going extinct, your semantic arguments won't stop this.

How right you are. Species have always gone extinct.

perhaps you can point to where I said something else?

or are you merely trolling for the sake of trolling? Wink

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53299 At my desk.	Re: One million species Reply #29 - May 8^th, 2019 at 9:26pm Quote: That's the problem with modelled studies. The underlying assumptions. What is the actual problem? That people won't spoonfeed you your answers?
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