Quote:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 1:29pm:


Twitter eh, is that where Twits like you get your information?

https://electrek.co/2019/04/22/study-electric-cars-dirtier-diesel-debunked/


Seems as though there were some flaws, in qwhich recycling of the battery wasn't taken into account, plus as well not taking into account all the energy used to produce, store and move the diesel.


Additionally, even the study talks about the facts behind Germanys energy mix being largely coal.

DonDeeHippy wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 2:04pm:


"Franco-German alliance splinters over climate policy
Paris is leading a group of ambitious countries in Brussels as Germany gets cold feet.

By      KALINA OROSCHAKOFF AND PAOLA TAMMA      3/22/19, 12:35 PM CET Updated 4/19/19, 1:09 AM CET
The revamped Franco-German alliance is fracturing thanks to the countries’ differing approaches to climate policy.

The rift between Paris and Berlin was evident ahead of a summit of EU leaders on Thursday and Friday where the bloc's long-term climate strategy is on the agenda, according to unpublished documents reviewed by POLITICO.

Climate policy is dividing countries, with some “vehemently opposed” to having any meaningful discussion on the topic at the summit, according to an EU diplomat.

France is spearheading a group of countries that want the EU to cut emissions to net zero by 2050 — meaning the bloc would absorb as much greenhouse gases as it emits. That’s seen as crucial in reaching the more ambitious goal of the 2015 Paris Agreement, which aims to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees.

But Germany, long at the forefront of pushing greener policies, is now getting cold feet thanks to the economic and political costs."

https://www.politico.eu/article/franco-german-alliance-splinters-over-climate-po...

Trust juliar to change the subject as they become more desperate

juliar wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 3:02pm:




Yep, my multiple qualifications in science probably say different. I mean lets face it I don't have your ability in cutting and pasting from pop sci mags.


Juliar changing the subject in desperation again.

juliar wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 2:53pm:


Every Joule of energy from a Tesla super charger is backed up by the same amount of energy from a renewable energy source. Can't say the same about oil can you socko ? LOL

Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 24^th, 2019 at 10:06am:


And yet you don't have an EV. According to you that makes YOU a Luddite.

The silly fool Tweedledumb is neurotically projecting herself again as a brainless drongo.

Typical Greeny bungs on a HATE session as soon as someone shows her up as a dumb drongo.

Tweedledumb why don't you display your sock collection you keep in your room at the mental hospital these days ?


A major problem is occurring around the world as these all electric heaps are creating massive pollution by overloading the coal power stations.

The Tesla exhaust is at the coal power station.

Coal station exhaust is worse than the diesel truck exhaust and the all electric heaps are really pumping the coal power station exhausts something fierce.

But the salvation is just around the corner which will make the all electric piles of junk obsolete - HYDROGEN!!!!

Wind and solar is negligible as it is SO SMALL < 10%. There is simply not enough clear treeless land to build enough solar and wind farms as they require a vast area.

I think the big question here is if you live in a big city...
Would you rather be in a city with a Million Electric Vehicles
Or would you be Happy with a Million Cars around you Burning Fossil Fuels and Breathing the Exhaust.
I know which one id rather be in, especially on a hot still day

It is now well established that all electric cars are filthy emitters of massive pollution as a result of overloading the coal power stations.

What repulsive smelly piles of junk!!

Hydrogen will render these filthy pollution spewing abortions obsolete overnite.

Watch the miniscule all electric sales plunge when the subsidies are removed and road tax applied.




DRIVING A TESLA RESULTS IN MORE CO2 THAN A MERCEDES DIESEL CAR, STUDY FINDS
Michael Bastasch | Energy Editor 9:08 AM 04/24/2019


Teslas run on filthy pollution emitting coal!!!!

A Tesla Model 3 is touted as a zero-emissions car by government regulators, but it actually results in more carbon dioxide than a comparable diesel-powered car, according to a recent study.




A Tesla Model 3 car is displayed at the Canadian International AutoShow in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, February 15, 2019. REUTERS/Chris Helgren.

China and the U.S. are the first- and second-largest electric car producers, respectively. China gets 65 percent of its electricity from coal power and the U.S. relies on coal for 27 percent of its electric power.

China is also the top battery-producing country, using coal power to produce batteries for electric vehicles that are then subsidized for being “zero” emissions.

California, for example, requires automakers to cut greenhouse gas emissions in cars by producing lower emissions vehicles or buying credits from companies, like Tesla, that make electric vehicles. At the federal level, the U.S. gives tax breaks of up to $7,500 per electric vehicle.

Federal subsidies for Teslas are set to be phased out since the company, founded by Elon Musk, hit the 200,000-vehicle production cap. However, Congress is debating whether or not to extend electric car subsidies.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/24/tesla-carbon-dioxide-mercedes/

The mental patient Tweedledumb is STILL refusing to show off her sock collection she keeps in her room at the mental hospital.

Tweedledumb don't be a spoil sport - I liked seeing you display your favorite socks.

Silly old Tweedledumb is just so stupid she cannot understand there are many other much larger vehicles other than the little toy gimmicky electric ones that are quite unsuitable for battery power and these will ultimately be powered by HYDROGEN which is vastly better than the dirty filthy coal the all electrics use spewing out great clouds of pollution from their exhausts at the coal power stations.

The mental patient Tweedledumb is STILL refusing to show off her sock collection she keeps in her room at the mental hospital.

Tweedledumb don't be a spoil sport - I liked seeing you display your favorite socks.

Now the silly fool is parroting Tesla Fan Girl rubbish to make herself look even sillier. For the unsafe dangerous Tesla heaps it is the mine to some bulldust because most Teslas are running on COAL.


Not surprising Tesla with its phony dangerous cars running on coal and absolutely SPEWING POLLUTION from the Coal Power Station exhaust now looks like it WILL NEVER EARN A PROFIT!!!!!!


Is this how Tesla will end up ? 



Tesla’s Earnings Are Expected to Be Ugly
Esha Dey BloombergApril 25, 2019

(Bloomberg) -- The time has finally come for the market to find out just how ugly Tesla Inc.’s first quarter was.

Expectations for the period have been lowered sharply in recent weeks, especially after disappointing delivery numbers were announced earlier this month. That continued the lousy sentiment precipitated earlier in the year by Tesla cutting jobs and vehicle prices and warning of a “difficult” road ahead. What’s followed has been mounting concern that demand has topped out.

“First-quarter results have already been telegraphed as weak, and we expect investor focus to remain on cash and short-term deliveries,” Roth Capital Partners analyst Craig Irwin wrote in a note to clients on Tuesday. “We think guide needs to point to 85,000-plus second-quarter deliveries for investors to take a neutral view on guidance. If cash is below $2.5 billion, we think investors should be more anxious about a near-term capital raise.”

The question of whether Tesla needs to raise more money has been hanging over the company for a while now, with analysts maintaining that the carmaker needs to bolster its balance sheet. “Investors have increasingly asked about the need for an equity raise; we continue to think Tesla should return to capital markets to strengthen the balance sheet, despite management’s stated desire to avoid issuing new equity,” Baird analyst Ben Kallo wrote in a note.

Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk has said previously that he didn’t want or need to return to capital markets, though his tune seemed to change during Monday’s autonomous technology-related event. He hinted Tesla probably will need to raise money as it scales its fleet of vehicles he says will be capable of self-driving. Musk also said the company will introduce a robotaxi service of cars that won’t need humans at the wheel in 2020, a pronouncement that drew widespread doubts from Wall Street.

“Ultimately we think the event was a way for the company to focus investors away from the underlying demand and margin pressures the company is currently facing as they bring the Model 3 to mass market and as there has been waning Model S/X demand,” Goldman Sachs analyst David Tamberrino wrote.

With the “autonomous smokescreen” now cleared out of the way, clues about demand -- including a potential forecast for second-quarter deliveries -- and margin trends will be the two biggest items to watch out for when Tesla reports results after the market close on Wednesday.



What Bloomberg Intelligence Says



Expectations for Tesla’s first-quarter earnings swung from a $217 million pretax profit at the close of 2018 to a $232 million loss after the company disclosed an 11 percent sequential production drop from fourth quarter, including a 40 percent decline in high-margin Model S and X builds.”

--Kevin Tynan, autos analystClick here to view the research

Just the numbers

1Q adjusted loss per share estimate $1.30 (range loss/share 64c to loss $2.60)1Q revenue estimate $4.84b ($4.40b-$5.12b) 1Q adj. automotive gross margin estimate +17.8% 1Q capital expenditure estimate $508.2m ($291m-$625m) 2Q adj. automotive gross margin estimate +19.5% 2Q capital expenditure estimate $551.4m ($250m-$650m)

Data

Tesla 13 buys, 8 holds, 15 sells; avg PT $303: Bloomberg data Implied 1-day share move following earnings: 9.2% Shares fell after 7 of prior 12 earningsAdjusted EPS beat estimates in 7 of past 12 quarters

Timing

Earnings April 24 after market close Call 5:30pm; conference call website

(Adds share move, adds short interest detail in paragraph seven.)

--With assistance from Dana Hull.

To contact the reporter on this story: Esha Dey in New York at edey@bloomberg.net

To contact the editors responsible for this story: Brad Olesen at bolesen3@bloomberg.net, Scott Schnipper

For more articles like this, please visit us at bloomberg.com

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-earnings-expected-ugly-100000931.html

Here we go again. socko can't answer the obvious question so starts posting car accidents again LOL

What is the well to wheels efficiency socko ?

Ajax wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 11:03am:

[url]https://insideevs.com/news/343582/fortum-announces-over-80-electric-car-battery-
recycling-rate/
[/url]"A new solution by Nordic clean energy company Fortum makes over 80% of the electric vehicle (EV) battery recyclable, returns the scarce metals back into circulation and resolves the sustainability gap by reducing the need to mine cobalt, nickel, and other scarce metals."

"Fortum achieves the recycling rate of over 80% with a low-CO2 hydrometallurgical recycling process. The current recycling rate for batteries is approximately 50%. The batteries are first made safe for mechanical treatment, with plastics, aluminium and copper separated and directed to their own recycling processes.
Also the batteries will last at least 1500 full charges and realistically about 2000 full charges. with a EV with 400 km's of range that is 600,000km;s to 800,000 km's, when the car falls apart at about 200,000-300,000 km's im sure there will be a lot of these batteries put in old car "conversions"

juliar wrote on Apr 26^th, 2019 at 1:32pm:

you do know that vehicle internal combustion motor are very inefficient, it takes 4 times the power to make hydrogen and pump it up to 10,000 psi to make it usable than to charge the same power into battery...…..

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 1:17pm:

https://insideevs.com/features/347409/german-study-diesels-cleaner-electric/

Thankfully, the study was promptly and definitively debunked, as it was found to be teeming with errors and inaccuracies.
A constant stream of anti-EV hit pieces crosses our virtual desk, but this one sounded much more serious than the usual anonymous rants. A respected German research institute released a study claiming EVs are dirtier than diesel - exactly what many in the German auto industry were longing to hear.
“Considering Germany’s current energy mix and the amount of energy used in battery production, the CO2 emissions of battery-electric vehicles are, in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads the study from the Munich-based Institute for Economic Research (IFO).
Journalists immediately predicted that automakers would use the new study to lobby policymakers to abandon support for EVs. But, as those who follow the EV scene know, dozens of earlier studies from around the world have come to precisely the opposite conclusion. Could this really be a legitimate scientific study?

Nope. The specious study was promptly and definitively debunked. A few days after it appeared, two of Germany’s major media outlets published detailed analyses that exposed a long list of errors and inaccuracies in the report.

The IFO authors inexplicably calculate CO2 emissions for Model 3 that are 16 percent higher than the official figures published by Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency.

Unfortunately, as Jonathan Swift (apparently) said, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”


Yup a 3 person Opinion report with no peer backing … they just want Fossil Fuels around a bit longer, and if that industry is buttering their plate , who can blame them.

DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2^nd, 2019 at 10:12am:


Oh well it's badluck for socko. He has to go back to posting pictures of car accidents again LOL

Anecdotes aren't evidence.


Juliar is distracting from the subject

BJ are you really ?

But how about another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Tesla crash


Tesla S spews its last pollution

BH,

you are talking pure waffle.

It is now already well established that the all electric cars are filthy dirty pollution spewing disasters much worse than diesels.

But the huge diesel powered machines are far too large to be powered by little batteries and so they are waiting for the next hydrogen fuel.

All electric cars create massive pollution by overloading the coal power stations. The Tesla exhaust is at the coal power station.

And showing actual factual crashes shows that the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Teslas come to grief in real life.



Slightly mangled Tesla S that won't spew anymore pollution

The mental patient Tweedledumb spews more pollution than thought possible. Just like the dirty filthy pollution spewing Tesla Toy cars.