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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #30 - Apr 27th, 2019 at 5:47am
 
juliar wrote on Apr 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Why is it that dangerous unsafe all electric heaps spew more pollution from the coal power stations than normal practical vehicles and that Greeny Tesla Fan Girls spew more bulldust than normal people who are not intellectually handicapped ?

The simple FACT that the dangerous unsafe all electric cars are spewing dangerous amounts of pollution from the coal power station exhausts effectively signs their death warrant.

The ultimate new HYDROGEN energy that will make the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing all electric heaps obsolete overnite is just around the corner and is looking better as each day passes.

And HYDROGEN will replace diesel in large vehicles which are too large for any battery power.

And will TESLA eventually crash into a brick wall like this unsafe Tesla 3 did ?

https://cs.copart.com/v1/AUTH_svc.pdoc00001/PIX140/2e0e600b-b106-4de3-80cf-ecf44...
Screech CCRRAASSHHH!!!! If only those brakes worked.




you do know that vehicle internal combustion motor are very inefficient, it takes 4 times the power to make hydrogen and pump it up to 10,000 psi to make it usable than to charge the same power into battery...…..
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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #31 - Apr 29th, 2019 at 3:22am
 
The silly fool Tweedledee just cannot help displaying the fact that she is intellectually handicapped. But then she IS a Greeny Tesla Fan Girl.

But what she is really asking for is another dangerous unsafe Tesla CRASH!!!


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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #32 - May 2nd, 2019 at 10:12am
 
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Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23rd, 2019 at 1:17pm:
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Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows


Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.
When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

The CO2 given off to produce the electricity that powers such vehicles also needs to be factored in, they say.

When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example.

The German researchers therefore take issue with the fact that European officials view electric vehicles as zero-emission ones. They note further that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per km by 2030 corresponds to a “technically unrealistic” consumption of 2.2 litres of diesel or 2.6 litres of gas per 100 kms.

These new limits pressure German and other European car manufacturers into switching massively to electric vehicles whereas, the researchers feel, it would have been preferable to opt for methane engines, “whose emissions are one-third less than those of diesel motors.”

Oscar Schneider
The Brussels Times
http://www.brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-mo...

https://insideevs.com/features/347409/german-study-diesels-cleaner-electric/

Thankfully, the study was promptly and definitively debunked, as it was found to be teeming with errors and inaccuracies.
A constant stream of anti-EV hit pieces crosses our virtual desk, but this one sounded much more serious than the usual anonymous rants. A respected German research institute released a study claiming EVs are dirtier than diesel - exactly what many in the German auto industry were longing to hear.
“Considering Germany’s current energy mix and the amount of energy used in battery production, the CO2 emissions of battery-electric vehicles are, in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads the study from the Munich-based Institute for Economic Research (IFO).
Journalists immediately predicted that automakers would use the new study to lobby policymakers to abandon support for EVs. But, as those who follow the EV scene know, dozens of earlier studies from around the world have come to precisely the opposite conclusion. Could this really be a legitimate scientific study?

Nope. The specious study was promptly and definitively debunked. A few days after it appeared, two of Germany’s major media outlets published detailed analyses that exposed a long list of errors and inaccuracies in the report.

The IFO authors inexplicably calculate CO2 emissions for Model 3 that are 16 percent higher than the official figures published by Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency.
In its calculations of full-lifecycle emissions, the article includes the emissions from electricity generation for EVs, but does not include the emissions generated in producing and transporting the fuel for diesel vehicles.

Unfortunately, as Jonathan Swift (apparently) said, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”


Yup a 3 person Opinion report with no peer backing … they just want Fossil Fuels around a bit longer, and if that industry is buttering their plate , who can blame them. Wink
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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #33 - May 3rd, 2019 at 12:50am
 
More Greeny Tesla Fan Girl lies from the intellectually handicapped Tweedledee. What a dumb drongo she is.

Pollution spewing electric heaps will be banned in due course as they cause so much pollution by overloading the coal power stations.
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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #34 - May 3rd, 2019 at 2:52pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 10:12am:
DEBUNKED


Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 23rd, 2019 at 1:17pm:
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Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows


Electric vehicles in Germany account for more CO2 emissions than diesel ones, according to a study by German scientists.
When CO2 emissions linked to the production of batteries and the German energy mix - in which coal still plays an important role - are taken into consideration, electric vehicles emit 11% to 28% more than their diesel counterparts, according to the study, presented on Wednesday at the Ifo Institute in Munich.

Mining and processing the lithium, cobalt and manganese used for batteries consume a great deal of energy. A Tesla Model 3 battery, for example, represents between 11 and 15 tonnes of CO2. Given a lifetime of 10 years and an annual travel distance of 15,000 kilometres, this translates into 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometre, scientists Christoph Buchal, Hans-Dieter Karl and Hans-Werner Sinn noted in their study.

The CO2 given off to produce the electricity that powers such vehicles also needs to be factored in, they say.

When all these factors are considered, each Tesla emits 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometre, which is more than a comparable diesel vehicle produced by the German company Mercedes, for example.

The German researchers therefore take issue with the fact that European officials view electric vehicles as zero-emission ones. They note further that the EU target of 59 grams of CO2 per km by 2030 corresponds to a “technically unrealistic” consumption of 2.2 litres of diesel or 2.6 litres of gas per 100 kms.

These new limits pressure German and other European car manufacturers into switching massively to electric vehicles whereas, the researchers feel, it would have been preferable to opt for methane engines, “whose emissions are one-third less than those of diesel motors.”

Oscar Schneider
The Brussels Times
http://www.brusselstimes.com/business/technology/15050/electric-vehicles-emit-mo...

https://insideevs.com/features/347409/german-study-diesels-cleaner-electric/

Thankfully, the study was promptly and definitively debunked, as it was found to be teeming with errors and inaccuracies.
A constant stream of anti-EV hit pieces crosses our virtual desk, but this one sounded much more serious than the usual anonymous rants. A respected German research institute released a study claiming EVs are dirtier than diesel - exactly what many in the German auto industry were longing to hear.
“Considering Germany’s current energy mix and the amount of energy used in battery production, the CO2 emissions of battery-electric vehicles are, in the best case, slightly higher than those of a diesel engine, and are otherwise much higher,” reads the study from the Munich-based Institute for Economic Research (IFO).
Journalists immediately predicted that automakers would use the new study to lobby policymakers to abandon support for EVs. But, as those who follow the EV scene know, dozens of earlier studies from around the world have come to precisely the opposite conclusion. Could this really be a legitimate scientific study?

Nope. The specious study was promptly and definitively debunked. A few days after it appeared, two of Germany’s major media outlets published detailed analyses that exposed a long list of errors and inaccuracies in the report.

The IFO authors inexplicably calculate CO2 emissions for Model 3 that are 16 percent higher than the official figures published by Germany’s Federal Environmental Agency.
In its calculations of full-lifecycle emissions, the article includes the emissions from electricity generation for EVs, but does not include the emissions generated in producing and transporting the fuel for diesel vehicles.

Unfortunately, as Jonathan Swift (apparently) said, “a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.”


Yup a 3 person Opinion report with no peer backing … they just want Fossil Fuels around a bit longer, and if that industry is buttering their plate , who can blame them. Wink


Oh well it's badluck for socko. He has to go back to posting pictures of car accidents again Cheesy LOL
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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #35 - May 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
The incredibly dumb intellectually handicapped Tweedledumb who is incapable of understanding any of this tech stuff sprouts the usual Greeny Tesla Fan Girl rubbish.

No doubt what she wants to see is another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Tesla crash.


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A dangerous unsafe Tesla X suffers the very common catastrophe of a wheel falling off after the faulty suspension breaks.


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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #36 - May 6th, 2019 at 3:36pm
 
Anecdotes aren't evidence.


Juliar is distracting from the subject
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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)
 
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Reply #37 - May 6th, 2019 at 10:51pm
 
Bojack is LTYC's love child
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #38 - May 7th, 2019 at 5:22pm
 
BJ are you really ?

But how about another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Tesla crash

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Tesla S spews its last pollution

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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #39 - May 7th, 2019 at 5:31pm
 
juliar wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 5:22pm:
BJ are you really ?

But how about another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Tesla crash

https://media.local10.com/photo/2019/02/25/Davie%20police%20believe%20speed%20wa...
Tesla S spews its last pollution




How about not posting anecdotes and distracting from the subject which is a flawed study
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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #40 - May 7th, 2019 at 6:33pm
 
BH,

you are talking pure waffle.

It is now already well established that the all electric cars are filthy dirty pollution spewing disasters much worse than diesels.

But the huge diesel powered machines are far too large to be powered by little batteries and so they are waiting for the next hydrogen fuel.

All electric cars create massive pollution by overloading the coal power stations. The Tesla exhaust is at the coal power station.

And showing actual factual crashes shows that the dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Teslas come to grief in real life.


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Slightly mangled Tesla S that won't spew anymore pollution


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Re: Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones
Reply #41 - May 12th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 5:31pm:
juliar wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 5:22pm:
BJ are you really ?

But how about another dangerous unsafe pollution spewing Tesla crash

https://media.local10.com/photo/2019/02/25/Davie%20police%20believe%20speed%20wa...
Tesla S spews its last pollution




How about not posting anecdotes and distracting from the subject which is a flawed study


juliar is retarded. His carer posts all of the rubbish under his name Cheesy LOL
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Reply #42 - May 13th, 2019 at 11:36am
 
The mental patient Tweedledumb spews more pollution than thought possible. Just like the dirty filthy pollution spewing Tesla Toy cars.
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