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Reply #15 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:58am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

So, just how much extra money is that for those who got their reduction in penalty rates restored?

Does it compare to the 850,000 retirees who will lose on average $5,000 per year under Shorty's F/C tax grab? Cheesy

Yes.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has said that nearly half a million people are losing up to $6,000 a year.

Well that's just utter bulldust. Grin

We're talking about the restoration of a percentage of lost penalty rates.

Try again. Wink

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Reply #16 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:13am

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:58am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

So, just how much extra money is that for those who got their reduction in penalty rates restored?

Does it compare to the 850,000 retirees who will lose on average $5,000 per year under Shorty's F/C tax grab? Cheesy

Yes.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) has said that nearly half a million people are losing up to $6,000 a year.

Well that's just utter bulldust. Grin

We're talking about the restoration of a percentage of lost penalty rates.

Try again. Wink

No, it's not bulldust.

Many workers who work every weekend and some late nights have lost thousands of dollars.

I know of people who have lost $150 per week as a result of the cut in penalty rates.

Multiply that by 48 weeks, and that's a cut to their annual salary of $7,200.

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Reply #17 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:28am

For low-classification employees working 5.5 hours per Sunday, annual earnings losses due to changes in penalty rates range from around $750 to $1600 in hospitality
and from $900 to $2800 in the retail industry, depending on the award and the assumed elasticity.

For high classification employees working 5.5 hours per Sunday, lost earnings due to penalty rates
changes range from $900 to $1600 in hospitality, from $1100 to $3400 in retail trade, and from $1400 to $4600 in pharmacies.

Any Sunday workers also working public holidays
would experience further annual reductions, due to changes in public holiday penalty rates.

https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=35518764-8777-4a20-b8a3-05538811415...

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15876 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #18 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am Oh, and Lest we forget ... Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission? * For those playing at home ... A hint:
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153910 Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #19 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:50am Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am: Oh, and Lest we forget ... Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission? The Rudd Government. Why do you ask?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15876 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #20 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:54am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:50am: Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am: Oh, and Lest we forget ... Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission? The Rudd Government. Why do you ask? Who was Minister for Workplace Relations? Another hint:
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Reply #21 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:00am

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:50am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

Oh, and Lest we forget ...

Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission?

The Rudd Government.

Why do you ask?

Who was Minister for Workplace Relations?
Wink

Another hint:

Bill Shorten, but I'm struggling to see what your point is here.

You'll have to spell it out for me, please.

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Reply #22 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:09am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:50am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

Oh, and Lest we forget ...

Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission?

The Rudd Government.

Why do you ask?

Who was Minister for Workplace Relations?
Wink

Another hint:

Bill Shorten, but I'm struggling to see what your point is here.

You'll have to spell it out for me, please.

Bill "set up" the Fair Work Commission to make decisions about such things as Penalty rates.

When "his" commission made a ruling on them, he suddenly doesn't like the independent Commission anymore. Cheesy

What a Dill Bill is! Roll Eyes

Mind you ... don't worry ... Bill and Chris have it sorted!

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Reply #23 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:13am

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:00am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:54am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:50am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am:

Oh, and Lest we forget ...

Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission?

The Rudd Government.

Why do you ask?

Who was Minister for Workplace Relations?
Wink

Another hint:

Bill Shorten, but I'm struggling to see what your point is here.

You'll have to spell it out for me, please.

Bill "set up" the Fair Work Commission to make decisions about such things as Penalty rates.

Yes, that's what government ministers do.

They don't make the actual decisions, though.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15876 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #24 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:15am Should an independent body be allowed to make the decision? Who is running Bill?
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Reply #25 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:19am

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:15am:

Should an independent body be allowed to make the decision?

The Australian Industrial Relations Commission, the Workplace Authority and the Australian Fair Pay Commission were doing it for years.

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:15am:

Who is running Bill?

The Unions.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15876 Melbourne Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #26 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:20am Or big business depending on the situation. Yeah, Shifty as is Shorty.
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Reply #27 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 8:28pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:10am:

yeah, unionists and shorten and whiteknight are all men in their 50's and THEY want to hit the pub or the TAB on the weekend so they think they are missing out on this glorious pursuit Roll Eyes

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but how selfish to not consider those students and women with kiddies who would LOVE to work weekends.
how evil to assume everyone is a retard like the scrubs in the union movement Cry

Nobody loves to work week ends and those Woman and Students also benefit from being paid correctly. Your argument is fallacious mean and nasty. No people do not want to work for less pay, none of them.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61923 Here Gender:	Re: 42,000 People's Penalty Rates Saved Reply #28 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 8:46pm Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 10:44am: Oh, and Lest we forget ... Who* was behind setting up the Fair Work Commission? Julia Gillard.
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Reply #29 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:13am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 8:28pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 7:10am:

yeah, unionists and shorten and whiteknight are all men in their 50's and THEY want to hit the pub or the TAB on the weekend so they think they are missing out on this glorious pursuit Roll Eyes

.

but how selfish to not consider those students and women with kiddies who would LOVE to work weekends.
how evil to assume everyone is a retard like the scrubs in the union movement Cry

Nobody loves to work week ends and those Woman and Students also benefit from being paid correctly. Your argument is fallacious mean and nasty. No people do not want to work for less pay, none of them.

Nobody loves to work
Nobody loves to work
Nobody loves to work

thats SOOOOO SAD.

most people i CHOOSE to vibe with love to work.

dude, you are going to spend a lot of your life at work.
why on earth would ANYONE be INSANE enough to allow their EMOTIONAL STATE to become one of NEGATIVITY to work.
your emotional state rewires your brain neural pathways.
if you are INSANE enough to resent going to work you are addicting yourself on a negative neurology.

now you are going to kick the dog
now you are going to be irritated by the kids playing a bit to loudly
now you will be pissed off by your neighbours having a party
now you will hate a successful rich happy person
now you will be that grumpy old man.

dude, you and anyone who thinks like that need emergency help
its a critical situation
its a "save the dying patient " situation.
its a dial 000 situation

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