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Reply #120 - May 1st, 2019 at 9:04am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 30th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2019 at 8:40pm:
So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?


I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves.

By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"?

Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence.


Do Muslims believe that Muhammad was the best example to all mankind? Or is that hysterical hyperbole?


Yes, but to draw the long bow that they personally believe he committed genocide just because you interpret it as such, and therefore they must "reflexively support genocide" is indeed hysterical hyperbole. Especially when you openly admit that you avoid the subject with any muslims you actually know in the real world (outside an internet forum).

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And there are plenty who refer to Muhammad's actions as genocide.


Of course, jihad watch, wiki-Islam etc.... Most of them also probably deliberately use the term as a tactic to try and blur the lines between Islam and nazism - by dishonestly equating the world's worst ever single atrocity with an alleged bog-standard, run of the mill mass execution of a tiny army after a treaty is violated.
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Reply #121 - May 2nd, 2019 at 12:34pm
 
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Yes, but to draw the long bow that they personally believe he committed genocide just because you interpret it as such, and therefore they must "reflexively support genocide" is indeed hysterical hyperbole.


The fact that Muslims try to polish this turd does not change the fact that they support genocide, any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust changes the fact that they also support genocide.

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Of course, jihad watch, wiki-Islam etc.... Most of them also probably deliberately use the term as a tactic to try and blur the lines between Islam and nazism - by dishonestly equating the world's worst ever single atrocity with an alleged bog-standard, run of the mill mass execution of a tiny army after a treaty is violated.


The highest result I saw on google was from ex-Muslims.
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Reply #122 - May 2nd, 2019 at 2:45pm
 
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 12:34pm:
any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust


There you go again literally equating the banu Qurayza alleged massacre with the industrialised slaughter of 6 million men women and children.

A classic case of the intellectually lazy Reductio ad Hitlerum

You're pretty much saying that your lovely muslim workmate was not only by default a 'reflexive genocide supporter', but also no different to a nazi.
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Reply #123 - May 2nd, 2019 at 7:05pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 2:45pm:
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 12:34pm:
any more than a Nazi offering excuses or denial regarding the holocaust


There you go again literally equating the banu Qurayza alleged massacre with the industrialised slaughter of 6 million men women and children.

A classic case of the intellectually lazy Reductio ad Hitlerum

You're pretty much saying that your lovely muslim workmate was not only by default a 'reflexive genocide supporter', but also no different to a nazi.


I did not say they were equal Gandalf. The Nazis were far more efficient.
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Reply #124 - May 2nd, 2019 at 8:02pm
 
You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust.

You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric

You engage in the most disingenuous Reductio ad Hitlerum logic.
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Reply #125 - May 2nd, 2019 at 8:36pm
 
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You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust.


No Gandalf. They were two completely different genocides. Don't get hysterical now.

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You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric


What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?
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Reply #126 - May 3rd, 2019 at 8:31am
 
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:
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You equate the alleged banu Qurayza massacre with the holocaust.


No Gandalf. They were two completely different genocides. Don't get hysterical now.

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You draw analogies with the nazis at every opportunity to justify your muslim mind-borg rhetoric


What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?


He's got you there, G. If you say Mindless Collective, that means you agree with it.
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Reply #127 - May 3rd, 2019 at 12:23pm
 
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2019 at 8:36pm:
What "muslim mind-borg rhetoric"?


Have you ever met a muslim who isn't a reflexive supporter of genocide?

Apparently you haven't - not even your lovely workmates with whom you expressly
avoid the topic with.

In your terminology, thats called reducing the entire muslim population to a 'mindless collective', which of course is dehumanizing, and the classic characteristic of prejudice. Personally I believe it gives you a guilty conscience and is the reason why you continually need to compensate by performing the most absurd mental gymnastics and even having to literally make up what I said to pretend that its actually me who engages in such prejudice.

But thats just me  Smiley
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Reply #128 - May 3rd, 2019 at 2:40pm
 
Me too, G, but remember, FD's been trying to find someone to be superior to since his sinister Abu left the board.

We apologists don't have to try very hard. JS gets banned for being a jellyfish every now and then, but it's all good. FD knows I'm as spineless and cunning as they come.

Your problem is you're superior to FD in every way. If FD can trick you into being a Nazi, he's the king of the castle.

Perhaps you could try asking him some more questions. Get to know him a bit better. You know, find out more about the real FD.
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Reply #129 - May 3rd, 2019 at 3:23pm
 
It seems impossible to understand the real FD.

One minute he shares his experience with real muslims - drinking a beer with his muslim workmates that he clearly respects, or going to the trouble to sit down with a muslim woman at his tennis club to try and understand how they feel... the next minute literally smearing the entire muslim population, to a man woman and child, as reflexive genocide supporters without batting an eyelid.

He'll write passionately about how important it is to make a stand against attacks on free speech - all the while he is in permanent witness protection in the face of the constant barrage of attacks against the freedom of muslims.

He'll start a sensible and worthy topic, and he'll set out his position in a reasonable, well thought out way - only to reduce himself to a petty and vindictive "reply by zinger" debating style if anyone dares engage him. Sometimes I sit there in awe seeing the way he so ruthlessly and methodically trashes his own worthy topics into the most crass mudslinging contests.

I really can't work him out. He goes to the trouble of starting a forum with the most noble of intentions - to facilitate free speech, But rather than fostering sensible and constructive debate, he actually seems to revel in dragging it into the gutter. Bigotry and petty squabbling reign, and proper, constructive debate is actively disincentivised. And now actually its no longer a joke in the wake of Christchurch. When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.
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Reply #130 - May 7th, 2019 at 10:31am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on May 3rd, 2019 at 3:23pm:
It seems impossible to understand the real FD.

One minute he shares his experience with real muslims - drinking a beer with his muslim workmates that he clearly respects, or going to the trouble to sit down with a muslim woman at his tennis club to try and understand how they feel... the next minute literally smearing the entire muslim population, to a man woman and child, as reflexive genocide supporters without batting an eyelid.

He'll write passionately about how important it is to make a stand against attacks on free speech - all the while he is in permanent witness protection in the face of the constant barrage of attacks against the freedom of muslims.

He'll start a sensible and worthy topic, and he'll set out his position in a reasonable, well thought out way - only to reduce himself to a petty and vindictive "reply by zinger" debating style if anyone dares engage him. Sometimes I sit there in awe seeing the way he so ruthlessly and methodically trashes his own worthy topics into the most crass mudslinging contests.

I really can't work him out. He goes to the trouble of starting a forum with the most noble of intentions - to facilitate free speech, But rather than fostering sensible and constructive debate, he actually seems to revel in dragging it into the gutter. Bigotry and petty squabbling reign, and proper, constructive debate is actively disincentivised. And now actually its no longer a joke in the wake of Christchurch. When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.


Freeeeedom, innit.
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Reply #131 - May 7th, 2019 at 3:02pm
 
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When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.


So now the problem is that muzzies spend too much time on debate sites.

I mean they are the worlds terrorists, they are the major terror threat globally, their heartlands are nothing but piles of rubble, they are the major refugee problem globally, they are slaughtering their own children in the tens of thousands from hunger and refugee trauma because they insist in killing each other and the *moderates* are trying to tell us internet debate sites are the cause?

Well spit three times and call me allah, the crap just keeps piling up.
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Reply #132 - May 7th, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
moses wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:02pm:
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When we as a society start to understand the role played by online discussion forums in creating and nurturing the Tarrant's of this world and their ideology of hate, its very apparent that this very forum fits the bill so terrifyingly closely.


So now the problem is that muzzies spend too much time on debate sites.

I mean they are the worlds terrorists, they are the major terror threat globally, their heartlands are nothing but piles of rubble, they are the major refugee problem globally, they are slaughtering their own children in the tens of thousands from hunger and refugee trauma because they insist in killing each other and the *moderates* are trying to tell us internet debate sites are the cause?

Well spit three times and call me allah, the crap just keeps piling up.


How on earth did you interpret that as being about muslim terrorists?

Do you need me to put it in the sort of crass language you're used to using? Try this - I think the hate filled bile expressed by moses (thats you) and others here is indistinguishable from the comments made on 8chan and other hate sites - which was where Tarrant himself was posting. Discussion forums like these are quite literally hang out places for actual terrorists.

How long do you think it will be before the AFP is trawling through the ozpolitic posts of the next mosque shooter?
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Reply #133 - May 7th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
How do I equate the two brands of terrorism?

Easy gandi they are both acts of terrorism.

Now what I pointed out to you is that muslims are top of the tree when it comes to terrorism.

I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism, your holy book is.

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Reply #134 - May 7th, 2019 at 7:23pm
 
moses wrote on May 7th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
I know for certain that debate sites are not the cause and motivation for islamic terrorism


you don't say.

How about Tarrant and Brievik and other Islamophobic attackers (sticking to the thread topic)? Can you offer an opinion on what "causes and motivates" them? Preaching that 100% of muslims are psychopathic and mentally disabled due to inbreeding for example? I know you are determined to deflect to Islamic terrorism, but you know, just give it a try...
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