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Reply #105 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:19pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists barbarism every day across the world.

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

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Reply #106 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:25pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists barbarism every day across the world.

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

Muslims.

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Reply #107 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:45pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists barbarism every day across the world.

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody.

There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these.

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Reply #108 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:02pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists barbarism every day across the world.

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody.

There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these.

Yet they do it time and time again.
Blowing themselves up in schools, churches.
A few nasty tripwires in Islam eh?

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Reply #109 - Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:14pm

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 11:02pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Gordon wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:43pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 2:08pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

You see the EFFECT of fascist, murderous Islamic jihadists barbarism every day across the world.

BTW, most of them are educated and affluent. So it's no revolt of the dispossessed and marginalised.

Quite so. Jihadist terrorism these days is the lot of educated rich kids.

To me, that's the most enigmatic fact in all this.

And no, It's hardly Muslim piety. The majority are recent converts to jihadism.

What could possibly motivate someone like a doctor to blow themselves up?

The afterlife is given more allure than the present?

How many people think that?

Who suicides for religion?

It's not suicide to them. It's martyrdom.

So how can killing innocent people in church possibly be martyrdom? There's no war on. They aren't defending anybody.

There has to be some logic to this. We've already seen where Moses' interpretations are well off the mark. As G has shown, no Muslims he knows could possibly condone acts like these.

Yet they do it time and time again.
Blowing themselves up in schools, churches.
A few nasty tripwires in Islam eh?

Most are in wars, I get that. Not the random victims, but the struggle. You see people you know getting tortured and killed by a guy like Assad and it gets personal.

But exporting your "war" to a place like Sri Lanka with no animousity I can see against Muslims, and it can't possibly be seen as Martyrdom.

These aren't the poor downtrodden, they're a wealthy spice family. They would never have had to struggle all that much - unlike, say, the Tamils. Muslims in Sri Lanka are often merchants and landowners. Many came from Malaysia to work as civil servants (and labourers) under the British.

There's a story about this family that's much more complicated than I blame Islam. I'm interested in that. I'd also like to know how they can justify it to themselves.

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Reply #110 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 7:59am

According to Abu, the west has been at war with the Muslim world for a few centuries. That's the whole point of the Muslim victimhood industry.

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 9:36pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2019 at 9:59am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 1:48pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 8:17am:

Have you ever met one who isn't?

You seem to be implying even those lovely work mates of yours are fascistic genocide supporters. Which if true makes me wonder - did you ask them? Or did you just twist their words around and pretend they said it?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, did you never actually broach the subject with them and are now just happy to bundle them in the 'fascist genocide supporter' basket along with every other muslim you have never heard say anything about genocide? That, by the way, is what I mean by dehumanizing people.

Basically, this seems like a funny rhetorical question to ask from someone who at best would attest to maybe 3 or 4 muslims in the whole world who apparently support it. Effectively you're saying "I have personally heard 3 or 4 muslims out of 1.5 billion supporting genocide - therefore it is inconceivable that there exists a single one of them who doesn't support it.

I don't ask people at work about their religious views. Even over beers.

Right, so you freely accept that every single muslim is a reflexive supporter of genocide - even as you concede that you knew muslims who never actually indicated that to you.

Good to know.

Every one that I have actually spoken to about it is. And you are not willing to identify a single Muslim who is not.

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Reply #111 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:20am

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 7:59am:

Every one that I have actually spoken to about it is.

You don't make that qualification when you declare that every single muslim in the world - man woman and child are genocide supporters. I mean, you don't say "all muslims support genocide - because I've encountered 3 or 4 on an internet forum who all do". No, its literally just "all muslims support genocide" - full stop. Thats a direct quote too, by the way.

Is the only logic you use to arrive at this that all muslims are necessarily genocide supporters by default, and its up to them to prove that they are not?

Tell me FD, did you deliberately avoid the subject with your workmates in case they proved your prejudice about a dehumanized muslim hive mind for the bigotry that it is?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Another Islamophobe attacks... Reply #112 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:42am Ought I assume that Muslims will openly criticise Muhammad as acting immorally?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Another Islamophobe attacks... Reply #113 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 9:11am you ought to assume that when you label someone a reflexive genocide supporter, that should be based on some indication from them that they actually are.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 51285 At my desk.	Re: Another Islamophobe attacks... Reply #114 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 146000 Gender:	Re: Another Islamophobe attacks... Reply #115 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 9:09pm The latest terrorist. The usual suspects
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Reply #116 - Apr 28^th, 2019 at 9:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

Not at all. They're such a mindless collective, just one will do.

I say, FD, you and Brenton Tarrant are white, no?

BAN THEM.

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Reply #117 - Apr 29^th, 2019 at 2:59pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves.

By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"?

Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #118 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 1:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 29^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2019 at 8:40pm:

So Muslims are now so shielded from criticism that we ought not assume they defend Muhammad's actions unless we hear it from every single one of them?

I think its absurd to assume that someone is a reflexive genocide supporter based on nothing but your own deluded version of a) what muslims believe and b) what genocide is. And most certainly not based on actually finding out what that someone says about it themselves.

By the way, have you ever met anyone else who refers to the Banu Qurayza massacre as a "genocide"?

Personally, I think its taking hysterical hyperbole to the absurd - to the extent that you knowingly and so blatantly dishonestly equate muslims with nazis - based on the knowledge that in our culture the word "genocide" is so closely associated with the holocaust. After all, every other day you bend over backwards to stress how Islamic ideology is at least as bad as Nazi ideology. Its not a coincidence.

Do Muslims believe that Muhammad was the best example to all mankind? Or is that hysterical hyperbole?

And there are plenty who refer to Muhammad's actions as genocide. Some Muslims even argue the victims were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 98969	Re: Another Islamophobe attacks... Reply #119 - Apr 30^th, 2019 at 9:44pm There you go, you see, G. You're the one going around calling it a genocide by describing them as a Mindless Collective. Now you apologise to FD.
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