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Reply #285 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 12:28pm
 
"Marine climatic seasonality during early medieval times (10th to 12th centuries) based on isotopic records in Viking Age shells from Orkney, Scotland"

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.palaeo.2012.07.003

"Pacific Ocean Heat Content During the Past 10,000 Years"

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/342/6158/617

"Orbital forcing of tree-ring data"

DOI: 10.1038/NCLIMATE1589

https://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate1589

I notice your references stop in 2010. Just thought I would provide a few updated ones.
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Reply #286 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 12:44pm
 
BTW - Robot wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
Ljunqgvist. 2010


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"This reconstruction is the first to show a distinct Roman Warm Period c. ad 1–300, reaching up to the 1961–1990 mean temperature level, followed by the Dark Age Cold Period c. ad 300–800. The Medieval Warm Period is seen c. ad 800–1300 and the Little Ice Age is clearly visible c. ad 1300–1900, followed by a rapid temperature increase in the twentieth century. The highest average temperatures in the reconstruction are encountered in the mid to late tenth century and the lowest in the late seventeenth century. Decadal mean temperatures seem to have reached or exceeded the 1961–1990 mean temperature level during substantial parts of the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period."

Are you sure you have read or understood the paper? is that why you want graphical interpretation?
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Reply #287 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 6:30pm:
Hottest day in France since records have been kept.


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https://goo.gl/maps/hF4KbSoXTt6WZfLr6

That Weather station is not sited as per WMO instructions. Road, concrete  drain all within 100 metres.

It seems it may not even be true as the hottest evah.

https://twitter.com/drwaheeduddin/status/1144865573131694080?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|t...
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Reply #288 - Jun 30th, 2019 at 2:37pm
 
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Reply #289 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 12:34am
 
lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 12:44pm:
BTW - Robot wrote on Jun 29th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
Ljunqgvist. 2010


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"This reconstruction is the first to show a distinct Roman Warm Period c. ad 1–300, reaching up to the 1961–1990 mean temperature level, followed by the Dark Age Cold Period c. ad 300–800. The Medieval Warm Period is seen c. ad 800–1300 and the Little Ice Age is clearly visible c. ad 1300–1900, followed by a rapid temperature increase in the twentieth century. The highest average temperatures in the reconstruction are encountered in the mid to late tenth century and the lowest in the late seventeenth century. Decadal mean temperatures seem to have reached or exceeded the 1961–1990 mean temperature level during substantial parts of the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period."

Are you sure you have read or understood the paper? is that why you want graphical interpretation?


"The highest average temperatures in the reconstruction are encountered in the mid to late tenth century", because Ljunqgvist's reconstruction only goes to 1999; it doesn't include 21st century temperatures.

"Decadal mean temperatures seem to have reached or exceeded the 1961–1990 mean temperature level during...the Medieval Warm Period", but these temperatures are only about 0.2°C higher than the 1961–1990 mean temperature level, and as Ljunqgvist points out:

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Since AD 1990, though, average temperatures in the extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere exceed those of any other warm decades the last two millennia, even the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, if we look at the instrumental temperature data spliced to the proxy reconstruction.


...and Ljunqgvist does includes the instrumental temperature data in Figure 3 to show that they exceed the MWP temperatures.

According to HadCRUT4, the temperature anomaly for the NH has reached 0.96°C as of 2019.

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https://crudata.uea.ac.uk/~timo/diag/tempdiag.htm

Ljunqgvist only looks at 90–30°N latitude, so this isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, but as Ljunqgvist points out, his reconstruction agrees pretty well with others that include all Northern latitudes.

Basically, the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the Cold War Era, but the 21st century is warmer than the MWP.
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Reply #290 - Jul 1st, 2019 at 4:04pm
 
Robot wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 12:34am:
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Since AD 1990, though, average temperatures in the extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere exceed those of any other warm decades the last two millennia, even the peak of the Medieval Warm Period, if we look at the instrumental temperature data spliced to the proxy reconstruction.


So you have proxy data with the attendant error bars and thermometer reconstructions?

"The decadal mean temperatures in the extratropical Northern Hemisphere seem to have equalled or exceeded the AD 1961–1990 mean temperature level during much of the Roman Warm Period and the Medieval Warm Period. The temperature since AD 1990 is, however, possibly higher than during any previous time in the past two millennia if we look at the CRUTEM3+HadSST2 90–30°N instrumental temperature data (Brohan et al. 2006; Rayner et al. 2006) spliced to the proxy reconstruction. "

Hardly definitive. Wink

Robot wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 12:34am:
Basically, the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the Cold War Era, but the 21st century is warmer than the MWP.


PERHAPS. Wink

"Despite significant improvement in our understanding of the temperature variability during the past one or two millennia, especially for the Northern Hemisphere, the controversial question whether Medieval Warm Period peak temperatures exceeded present temperatures remains unanswered. IPCC (2007) and NRC (2006) concluded that the data coverage still is too limited and unevenly distributed around the globe to say anything with reasonable certainty about temperatures on a global or hemispheric scale prior to c. AD 1600. The amplitude of the multi-decadal to centennial preindustrial temperature variability constitutes a major uncertainty. The estimate of this variability ranges from c. 0.2 to 1°C in the different reconstructions. "

Robot wrote on Jul 1st, 2019 at 12:34am:
Ljunqgvist only looks at 90–30°N latitude, so this isn't exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, but as Ljunqgvist points out, his reconstruction agrees pretty well with others that include all Northern latitudes.


" The amplitude of the temperature variability between the warmest and coldest century
(prior to the twentieth century) in our reconstruction is 0.62°C. As a comparison, this amplitude is 0.22°C in Mann and Jones (2003), 0.58°C in Moberg et al. (2005), and 0.51°C in the ‘error-invariables’ "

Yep really close. Wink
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Reply #291 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:38am
 
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Reply #292 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 12:20pm
 
All that money wasted on "climate change" studies. Wink
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Reply #293 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 7th, 2019 at 11:38am:


What a load of crap.
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Reply #294 - Jul 7th, 2019 at 10:20pm
 
What caused the temperature anomaly drop between 1960 and 1970?
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At this stage...
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Reply #295 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:24pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 30th, 2019 at 12:28pm:
"Marine climatic seasonality during early medieval times (10th to 12th centuries) based on isotopic records in Viking Age shells from Orkney, Scotland"



So you have proxy data with the attendant error bars and thermometer reconstructions?  Grin
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Reply #296 - Jul 8th, 2019 at 3:34pm
 
John_Taverner wrote on Jul 8th, 2019 at 2:24pm:
So you have proxy data with the attendant error bars and thermometer reconstructions? 


No petal.You?

Did they really have thermometers in the 10-12th century?
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Reply #297 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm
 
Further evidence of global warming, after the hottest summer on record in OZ, record breaking temperatures are being experienced across Europe. They will die like flies without A/C.

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Reply #298 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:18pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Further evidence of global warming, after the hottest summer on record in OZ, record breaking temperatures are being experienced across Europe.


Poor petal. Just so loves the ACORN2 adjusted "data". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #299 - Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:21pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jul 27th, 2019 at 7:00pm:
Further evidence of global warming, after the hottest summer on record in OZ, record breaking temperatures are being experienced across Europe.


Poor petal. Just so loves the ACORN2 adjusted "data". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

What about Europe?
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