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Reply #270 - Jun 28^th, 2019 at 8:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:57pm:

Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

The only debate that matters is the scientific debate, and the only sides that matter are:
1. The climate scientists who argue their research points to anthropogenic warming
2. The climate scientists who argue their research points to natural warming (or cooling, or no change)

Everyone else belongs in the peanut gallery.

No they don't - everyone is free to express their opinion
especially on this forum - even you.

Of course you and I are free to express our opinions, but that doesn't mean our opinions have any value to anyone, and simply expressing opinions doesn't constitute debate.

People place a lot of importance on the opinions of politicians, commentators, and other miscellaneous pretenders who present themselves as experts. But their opinions don't matter in the slightest, because the core questions at hand--what is happening to the environment and why--are scientific questions. When one is looking for answers to scientific questions, one needs to look at the answers provided by scientific research.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21391 Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #271 - Jun 28^th, 2019 at 9:01pm Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 8:00pm: When one is looking for answers to scientific questions, one needs to look at the answers provided by scientific research. or for some - what passes for it.
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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #272 - Jun 28^th, 2019 at 9:33pm

Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 8:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:57pm:

Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

The only debate that matters is the scientific debate, and the only sides that matter are:
1. The climate scientists who argue their research points to anthropogenic warming
2. The climate scientists who argue their research points to natural warming (or cooling, or no change)

Everyone else belongs in the peanut gallery.

No they don't - everyone is free to express their opinion
especially on this forum - even you.

Of course you and I are free to express our opinions, but that doesn't mean our opinions have any value to anyone, and simply expressing opinions doesn't constitute debate.

People place a lot of importance on the opinions of politicians, commentators, and other miscellaneous pretenders who present themselves as experts. But their opinions don't matter in the slightest, because the core questions at hand--what is happening to the environment and why--are scientific questions. When one is looking for answers to scientific questions, one needs to look at the answers provided by scientific research.

Do you accept that some scientists don't agree with the global warming narrative?

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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #273 - Jun 28^th, 2019 at 10:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 8:00pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:57pm:

Robot wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:41pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

The only debate that matters is the scientific debate, and the only sides that matter are:
1. The climate scientists who argue their research points to anthropogenic warming
2. The climate scientists who argue their research points to natural warming (or cooling, or no change)

Everyone else belongs in the peanut gallery.

No they don't - everyone is free to express their opinion
especially on this forum - even you.

Of course you and I are free to express our opinions, but that doesn't mean our opinions have any value to anyone, and simply expressing opinions doesn't constitute debate.

People place a lot of importance on the opinions of politicians, commentators, and other miscellaneous pretenders who present themselves as experts. But their opinions don't matter in the slightest, because the core questions at hand--what is happening to the environment and why--are scientific questions. When one is looking for answers to scientific questions, one needs to look at the answers provided by scientific research.

Do you accept that some scientists don't agree with the global warming narrative?

I'm aware of several climate scientists who are skeptical of the consensus position in the scientific literature, and have alternate theories that attempt to explain what is causing current climate change and what kind of changes we should expect to see. E.g. Svensmark, Eigil Friis-Christensen, and Lindzen.

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Reply #274 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:47am

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/28/europe/france-record-temperature-heatwave-int...

(CNN)

France recorded its highest-ever temperature on Friday as
continental Europe continues to struggle with an intense heat wave.

The mercury reached 45.1 degrees Celsius (113.2 Fahrenheit) just before 3 p.m. local time in Villevieille, in the Gard department in southern France, according to the French national weather service Météo-France.
This is 1 degree higher than the previous record from 2003.

It's so hot in Spain that manure self-ignited, sparking a 10,000-acre wildfire.

Around 4,000 French schools were closed on Friday and the opening hours of parks and public swimming pools were extended.
French authorities have taken a number of radical steps this week to prevent a repeat of the tragic consequences of the 2003 heat wave that left around 14,000 people dead.
Paris activated its heat emergency plan last weekend, put together in the aftermath of the 2003 heat wave. Cooling rooms were opened in some municipal buildings and mist showers were installed in the streets.
Climate scientists have warned that heat waves such as this one are becoming more frequent and increasingly severe because of the climate crisis. Météo-France said the frequency of such events is expected to double by 2050.

Heat emergency
Europe has been battling the heat all week, with Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic each recording their highest-ever June temperatures on Wednesday.

The German Weather Service said temperature of 38.6 degrees Celsius (101.5 Fahrenheit) was recorded at 2:50 p.m. local time on Wednesday in Coschen, on the country's border with Poland.
The previous record stood at 38.5 Celsius (101.3 Fahrenheit), which was measured in 1947 in Bühlertal, which lies close to France.
How your health is at risk during a heatwave
How your health is at risk during a heatwave
In Spain, firefighters have been battling a 15,000-acre wildfire near Tarragona in the country's northeast since late on Wednesday. According to the Catalan Fire Brigade, the fire likely started after an improperly stored pile of manure spontaneously combusted, causing sparks. The firefighters said the blaze was one of the worst in Catalonia in the last 20 years.
Many European cities are not designed to deal with such temperatures. Air conditioning is less common and public transportation systems often struggle.

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Bobby. Moderator Offline Australian Politics Posts: 121310 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #275 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:49am Monk is reading this page! Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced - showing evidence for both sides of the debate?
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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #276 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:18am

Robot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Ajax wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998, Wagner & Melles 2001, Kaplan et al 2002, Jiang et al 2002, Moore et al 2001, Grudd et al 2002, Seppa & Birks 2002, Dansgaard et al 1975, Korhola et al 2000, Naurzbaev et al 2002, Vaganov et el 1996, Briffa et al 1998, Scweingruber & Briffa 1996, Knudsen et al 2004, Grinsted et al 2006, Besonen et al 2008, Wagner et al 2008, Vare et al 2009, Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009, Andresen et al 2004, Vinther et al 2010, Kobashi et al 2010, Kobashi et al 2008, Stuiver et al 1995, Dansgaard et al 1975, Jenings & Weiner 1996, Johnsen et al 2001, Vinther et al 2010, Larsen et al 2011, Hill et al 2001, Joynt & Wolfe 2001, Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002, Andersson et al 2003, Helama et al 2005, Mazepa 2005, Weckstrom et al 2006, Jiang et al 2007, Zabenski & Gajewski 2007, Grudd 2008, Justwan et al 2008, Scire et al 2008, Axford et al 2009, Bjune et al 2009, Cook et al 2009, Fortin & Gajewski 2010, Buntgen et al 2011, Divine et al 2011, Ran et al 2011, Velle et al 2011, D’Andrea et al 2012, Esper et al 2012

If any of those papers contain a reconstruction of global temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period, then I'll take a look at them.

In the meantime, here's a paper that collects several reconstructions.

Mann et al 2008
Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia

https://www.pnas.org/content/105/36/13252

https://i.postimg.cc/L6FtNNWR/mann-et-al-2008.png

None of the reconstructions presented there put the Medieval Warm Period as warmer than 2008, let alone 2019.

Denial doesn't make you right my friend.

The MWP was warmer than today as those paper say.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-...

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #277 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:27am Google it general information because enough researchers and their papers have proven it. Of course you're welcome to debunk it that's what science is all about. The truth.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 11070 Australia Gender:	Re: Evidence for global warming. Reply #278 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:44am What about the global warming Vatican......?!?! https://climateaudit.org/2012/06/03/gergis-two-medieval-proxies/
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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #279 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 1:26pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:08pm:

lee wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 5:02pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 28^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

Only from sceptics. Wink

Barny is not happy with whatever I do.

Why don't you show some long term trends that haven't been cherry picked

As I've said many times before, but you are too ignorant to understand.
cherry picked local weather anecdotes are meaningless

strangely lee never criticizes your posts, but that is just evidence of his ideological hypocrisy

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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #280 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 1:41pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 1:26pm:

strangely lee never criticizes your posts, but that is just evidence of his ideological hypocrisy

Poor petal. I seem to question some of yours, not all, but some. I guess at some deep level I must agree with you on some. Wink

I have in the past said some of Bobby's posts are merely weather. I guess that isn't strong enough for you. Wink

And yet when you criticise me and I respond to you, you decamp at great pace. Why is that? You don't have anything to back up your assertions? Something else?

Perhaps you can tell us more on the ACORN2 SAT "data" that you hold dear. Wink

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Reply #281 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:49am:

Monk is reading this page!

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

I look here occasionally for a laugh.

I am getting under Dubyne’s skin on Twitter, posting facts in response to his lies.

You are an idiot to believe the Dubyne nonsense, must be your homosexuality expressing itself.

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Re: Evidence for global warming.
Reply #283 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 7:21pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 6:49am:

Monk is reading this page!

Do I get any awards for being fair and balanced -
showing evidence for both sides of the debate?

I look here occasionally for a laugh.

I am getting under Dubyne’s skin on Twitter, posting facts in response to his lies.

You are an idiot to believe the Dubyne nonsense, must be your homosexuality expressing itself.

Can everyone see how Monk can't debate a topic
and has to resort to ad hominem abuse?

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Reply #284 - Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:17pm

Ajax wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:18am:

Robot wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

Ajax wrote on Jun 16^th, 2019 at 10:18am:

Medieval warm period warmer than today.

Dahl_Jensen et al 1998, Wagner & Melles 2001, Kaplan et al 2002, Jiang et al 2002, Moore et al 2001, Grudd et al 2002, Seppa & Birks 2002, Dansgaard et al 1975, Korhola et al 2000, Naurzbaev et al 2002, Vaganov et el 1996, Briffa et al 1998, Scweingruber & Briffa 1996, Knudsen et al 2004, Grinsted et al 2006, Besonen et al 2008, Wagner et al 2008, Vare et al 2009, Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009, Andresen et al 2004, Vinther et al 2010, Kobashi et al 2010, Kobashi et al 2008, Stuiver et al 1995, Dansgaard et al 1975, Jenings & Weiner 1996, Johnsen et al 2001, Vinther et al 2010, Larsen et al 2011, Hill et al 2001, Joynt & Wolfe 2001, Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002, Andersson et al 2003, Helama et al 2005, Mazepa 2005, Weckstrom et al 2006, Jiang et al 2007, Zabenski & Gajewski 2007, Grudd 2008, Justwan et al 2008, Scire et al 2008, Axford et al 2009, Bjune et al 2009, Cook et al 2009, Fortin & Gajewski 2010, Buntgen et al 2011, Divine et al 2011, Ran et al 2011, Velle et al 2011, D’Andrea et al 2012, Esper et al 2012

If any of those papers contain a reconstruction of global temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period, then I'll take a look at them.

In the meantime, here's a paper that collects several reconstructions.

Mann et al 2008
Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia

https://www.pnas.org/content/105/36/13252

https://i.postimg.cc/L6FtNNWR/mann-et-al-2008.png

None of the reconstructions presented there put the Medieval Warm Period as warmer than 2008, let alone 2019.

Denial doesn't make you right my friend.

The MWP was warmer than today as those paper say.

https://i.ibb.co/717zTZR/MWP02.jpg

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sciences/medieval-warm-...

Ajax wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:27am:

Google it general information because enough researchers and their papers have proven it.

Of course you're welcome to debunk it that's what science is all about.

The truth.

https://i.ibb.co/Ntz6HHF/MWP03.jpg

If any of those papers, or the papers cited in Easterbrook's book, present a reconstruction of global (or even Northern Hemisphere) temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period, then I'll take a look at them.

Several papers have reconstructed temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere, and they show that present temperatures are higher than during the MWP.

Mann et al, 2008
https://www.pnas.org/content/105/36/13252

Ljunqgvist. 2010
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1468-0459.2010.00399.x

Moberg et al, 2005
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature03265

Hegerl et al, 2006
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature04679

Ajax wrote on Jun 29^th, 2019 at 9:44am:

What about the global warming Vatican......?!?!

https://i.ibb.co/hXFQhkY/MWP04.jpg

https://climateaudit.org/2012/06/03/gergis-two-medieval-proxies/

What about it?

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