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Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:13pm
 
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New research shows wealthiest people in Australia are forking out big bucks to ensure they pay no tax. This is how they do it.

news.com.au February 23, 2019


Frydenberg accuses Labor of a tax grab for retirees

It’s called “the art of deduction” and it is making sure multi-millionaires pay less tax than ordinary wage earners.   Sad

Research by the Australia Institute released today shows some Australian earners pay more than $170,000 a year on tax advice, and that it is a lucrative investment.

The research says that in 2011-2012, 75 individuals who earned more than $1 million in pre-tax, gross income paid no tax.

They had deployed deductions so large their taxable income was reduced to below the tax-free threshold.   Sad

And among the deductions were claims for excess franking credits, a so-called tax refund the ALP wants to eliminate.

Also among their deductions was the bill for getting someone to manage their tax affairs. Labor wants to cap such deductions at $3000.

They spent around $174,201 on this management, and the research says this was managing 23 times more than fellow wealth earners whose taxable income stayed above $1 million.

The research figures make clear most of us might spend at most a few hundred dollars on advice and end up paying more tax than the very well off who exploit what the Australia Institute calls “unfair loopholes”.   Sad

“What these taxation statistics show us is that most people who pay for help managing their tax affairs spend a few hundred dollars, but there is a very small minority who are spending considerable sums of money to manage their tax affairs,” says Matt Grudnoff, senior economist at the Australia Institute.

“These people are more likely to have large gross incomes and some of them have been very successful in reducing the amount of tax they pay.

“When these unfair tax loopholes, such as refunding excess franking credits are rorted by wealthy individuals they should be closed as soon as possible.

“Doing so will not only make the taxation system fairer and more progressive, it will also discourage the largely unproductive industry focusing on finding and using complex tax loopholes.”

The AI uses the findings to brand the tax advice industry as “problematic not only because it undermines our progressive income tax system, but also because it is highly inefficient”.

“Money spent avoiding tax could be more productively spent elsewhere and some of our brightest people spend their energies on unproductive work when they could be producing more socially desirable goods and services,” say the findings.

The research found those with both a gross and taxable income over $1 million spent on average $7,476 on managing their tax affairs.

Those with a gross income over $1 million but had reduced their taxable income to under $1 million spent $26,124.

Those with a gross income over $1 million but enough deductions to

reduce their taxable income below the tax-free threshold and paid zero tax, paid $174,201 on managing their tax affairs.

This is 23 times more than those whose taxable income stayed above $1 million.
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Reply #1 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:23pm
 
Of course it does - they feel an absolute entitlement to pay no taxes since they are investing and thus creating jobs and such... not  only that, but since they 'own' the company by investing, they feel that the company already paying company taxes (if it ever does) means they should not pay income tax on their personal earnings because that's 'double taxation'.

No wonder Shorten is gunning for them .. and rightly so.

Abolish dividend franking entirely for a start... no need for it anyway since it is part of the shareholder's gross income and should be included.  I have to wonder if it is even included.

Family companies and trusts are in the firing line, too - blatant tax evasion strategies and utter nonsense to be able to spread your income around your family  etc and thus pay no tax.  No PAYE person can do that - hand the son or daughter X amount of earnings and claim it off tax....
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Reply #2 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
Well said Ye Grappler. Good on Mr Shorten.  Time for the millionaire club to start paying fair taxes.   Smiley
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Reply #3 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:37pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:13pm:
“What these taxation statistics show us is that most people who pay for help managing their tax affairs spend a few hundred dollars, but there is a very small minority who are spending considerable sums of money to manage their tax affairs,” says Matt Grudnoff, senior economist at the Australia Institute.


So for this small minority we will target those on low incomes.
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Reply #4 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:41pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Family companies and trusts are in the firing line, too - blatant tax evasion strategies and utter nonsense to be able to spread your income around your family  etc and thus pay no tax. 


You must explain how this happens. Because I would really like to know.

How does spreading your income around your family allow you to pay no tax? You mean like 10 people over 18 in your family and you spread around $182,000 among them? Only $18,200 each so no tax to pay?
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Reply #5 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:55pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Family companies and trusts are in the firing line, too - blatant tax evasion strategies and utter nonsense to be able to spread your income around your family  etc and thus pay no tax. 


You must explain how this happens. Because I would really like to know.

How does spreading your income around your family allow you to pay no tax? You mean like 10 people over 18 in your family and you spread around $182,000 among them? Only $18,200 each so tax to pay?


Earnings go into a trust - not to the individual who worked - the trust then 'incurs costs' of handling those earnings, and thus claims a tax deduction...... it owns the family vehicles used for 'business and cops a deduction ... the trust disburses money sufficient to each beneficiary to keep that beneficiary below the taxable limit... the kid going to school is paid (on paper) sufficient to not pay tax and no more.... the pater familias receives from the trust the same .... the non-working wife does.... the daughter does... the second son or daughter does at age 1 .... I've even heard of the family dog but that probably apocryphal...the trust then invests in superannuation for each family member and cops a tax deduction.  The trust trades in shares using available left over money, and incurs a tax deduction for shares trading... then gets dividend imputation.....

So - individual family members pay zero tax but live well.... the trust writes off everything under the sun and based on the income spread around, does not have sufficient left over to pay tax after the dreadful costs of handling that money earned by family trust member(s) and beneficiaries.. and the trust continues to accrue wealth without paying a single cent in tax, or as very little as possible...

Pay each family member/beneficiary $18,200, deduct costs of home office etc for the trust... say a family of five = $91,000 cash tax free pa.

He who earns the bread must pay the piper - simple rule..... and no trust must be permitted to accumulate superannuation and its perks and thus reduce taxation and then receive tax-free in perpetuity.

Easy!!

Same applies to family company......

The ATO should have been gunning for them long before Shorten got into the act.... and should have a list of law changes required sitting and ready so that the very rich cannot continue to live the life of Reilly - private jets, a million bucks to bet at the races every Saturday and all - without paying a single cent in income or fringe benefits tax.
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Reply #6 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:16pm
 
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:55pm:
Pay each family member/beneficiary $18,200, deduct costs of home office etc for the trust... say a family of five = $91,000 cash tax free pa.



You do realise distributions from trusts to people under 18 are taxed at special rates? They are allowed $1307 pa from the trust tax free otherwise they pay 45c in the dollar for every dollar.

So now you have say 3 kids under 18 and the 2 adults that means they get $3921 tax free the other $87k gets taxed at the adult rates.

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:55pm:
Same applies to family company.....


Yes. Any distribution from shares to minors under $1307 is tax free. If they pay more than $1307 and it is all taxable at 45c in the dollar.

https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Investing/In-detail/Children-and-under-18s/Yo...
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Reply #7 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:29pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:41pm:
Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Family companies and trusts are in the firing line, too - blatant tax evasion strategies and utter nonsense to be able to spread your income around your family  etc and thus pay no tax. 


You must explain how this happens. Because I would really like to know.


are you pretending trusts aren't used to avoid tax?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #8 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:29pm:
are you pretending trusts aren't used to avoid tax? 


Are you saying all trusts are used to avoid tax? Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:43pm:
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:29pm:
are you pretending trusts aren't used to avoid tax? 


Are you saying all trusts are used to avoid tax? Grin Grin Grin



why didn't you answer my question instead of pretending I said something else?  Grin Grin Grin
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John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:45pm:
why didn't you answer my question instead of pretending I said something else? 


Poor little Johnny.

let's recap. -

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 5:29pm:
are you pretending trusts aren't used to avoid tax?


Trusts can be used to avoid tax. That does not mean all, the majority or any specific percentage of trusts are used to avoid tax.

So perhaps you have inside information and would like to spread the word?

Or perhaps not.

How about those dodgy individual taxpayers, eh?

"Are you and I to blame for $8.7b a year in ‘missing’ revenue?"

https://www.smh.com.au/money/tax/are-you-and-i-to-blame-for-8-7b-a-year-in-missi...
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lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:04pm:
let's recap.



no need, I know what i said

lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Trusts can be used to avoid tax.



that's all you had to say.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:06pm:
that's all you had to say.


No petal. Because you would have jumped all over it and said all trusts did that. That is why I try to be specific. You like to use open ended questions. Wink
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lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:22pm:
Because you would have jumped all over it and said all trusts did that.



Absolute rubbish.

lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:22pm:
That is why I try to be specific.


avoiding the question and pretending I said something else is 'being specific'? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

lee wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:22pm:
You like to use open ended questions. Wink


If you struggle with the simple questions, why would I endeavour to try more complicated ones?
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Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:35pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:25pm:
Absolute rubbish.



of course you wouldn't petal. You are above that. Grin Grin Grin

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:25pm:
avoiding the question and pretending I said something else is 'being specific'?


Exactly where did I avoid the question? I provided an answer. I might not have been the one you wanted. Too bad.

John Smith wrote on Mar 2nd, 2019 at 6:25pm:
If you struggle with the simple questions, why would I endeavour to try more complicated ones?


You try complicated. But you continually trip yourself up. Wink
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