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Reply #120 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm

John Smith wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:21pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 11:40am:

John Smith wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:04am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 8:58pm:

Already have twice - guess you just can't read English - or don't want to stop your stupid slagging and shut up for a minute...

You've done no such thing. All you've done is play the role of old white male victim

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 8:58pm:

Enjoy arguing with everyone do you? I won't say it must be an Italian thing....

it can be entertaining watching you squirm.

It's not me squirming, John-boy - it's your lot who are on the ropes.... and have nothing but personal slights - nothing unusual.

i have more, but sometimes personal slights say it best

Second last refuge of the socially incompetent, cazzo ...

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78311 Gender:	Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence Reply #121 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:43pm Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm: Second last refuge of the socially incompetent, cazzo ... is that you not using personal slights again? Testa di cazzo!
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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90582 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence Reply #122 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:44pm A shiftless Niqqer? A Wop can't be a shiftless Niqqer...
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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90582 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence Reply #123 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:45pm John Smith wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:43pm: Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 12:41pm: Second last refuge of the socially incompetent, cazzo ... is that you not using personal slights again? Testa di cazzo! Not a personal slight - just a passing comment...
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Reply #124 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 5:29pm

mothra wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 11:52pm:

Now we've all got that out of or systems, time to bring the topic back on track.

Family violence is understood as being very much about power dynamics. The old adage of coming home after a bad day and 'kicking the dog' holds true. Usually, people who feel a lack of control in their lives seek to exert power in ways they feel they can be effective. This is not always true but it is true more often than not.

This is where authorities come in . to attempt to redress power imbalances.

It is a natural consequence of technology that is be used by people so inclined to seize power. Or whatever they can wrangle that mimics it.

As previously mentioned, the laws,(that which would be implemented to redress power imbalances) are not anywhere near keeping up the technology available.

This is true across the board with our current technology

it is simply outpacing legislation

Looks like it didn't work unfortunately.

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Reply #125 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:00pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 5:29pm:

mothra wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2019 at 11:52pm:

Now we've all got that out of or systems, time to bring the topic back on track.

Family violence is understood as being very much about power dynamics. The old adage of coming home after a bad day and 'kicking the dog' holds true. Usually, people who feel a lack of control in their lives seek to exert power in ways they feel they can be effective. This is not always true but it is true more often than not.

This is where authorities come in . to attempt to redress power imbalances.

It is a natural consequence of technology that is be used by people so inclined to seize power. Or whatever they can wrangle that mimics it.

As previously mentioned, the laws,(that which would be implemented to redress power imbalances) are not anywhere near keeping up the technology available.

This is true across the board with our current technology

it is simply outpacing legislation

Looks like it didn't work unfortunately.

I guess its easier for some people to blame technology rather than poor judgment ,,

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Reply #126 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:10pm

So some persist in the utterly false belief that by bringing the state into it, a power balance will be achieved? Are you not seeking, by introducing the overwhelming power of the state, to impose massive and overwhelming power on the structure - thus removing any power in that relationship of the person so assaulted by the state?

Long, long ago I stated that the problem of imbalance of power in a relationship was the problem, but that handing to one side exclusively total control, that totally obviated any concept of balance of power, and created, instead, a dictatorship of one it that relationship.

Setanta - it's not that it didn't work - it could never work, because it merely shifted power from one side to the other without addressing imbalance in any way - but instead installing blatant abuse of one side backed up by the state as the norm.

That was one of the issues I raised with the NSW 'law reform commission' in 1992 over this very issue of relationship issues.

Anyone who feels that there is some 'right' to exercise massive force in a generally innocuous situation is insane.... and is the cause of escalating violence up to and including deaths. The proof is right in front of you all....

Do not be mislead by the facile words of the power hunters... this entire gamut of non-laws was introduced in NSW for the sole purpose of creating situations on as little as zero evidence of wrongdoing, so as toaenable the state to remove licenced firearms. It was never about violence as such, since violence could already be acted upon using existing law, but in the hands of those determined to extend the 'definition' of violence as far as possible in their pursuit of power - but violence ONLY against women no matter how flimsy the definition - it has become pure violence against men with the clear aim of removing from men all personal power and even rights, and thus bringing our kind of society to its knees and ripe for any power-hungry fool to take over.

Do NOT believe one word from the mouths of feminists. They do not wish to prevent violence - they wish to replace it with violence against men only, and thus control society through a reign of terror and disempowerment of the individual - so that they and their mates can take the top spots and dictate as they wish.

That's why some call them feminazis..

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Reply #127 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:25pm

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Setanta - it's not that it didn't work - it could never work, because it merely shifted power from one side to the other without addressing imbalance in any way - but instead installing blatant abuse of one side backed up by the state as the norm.

I was talking about the thread getting back on track.

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Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence
Reply #128 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:07pm

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:25pm:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Setanta - it's not that it didn't work - it could never work, because it merely shifted power from one side to the other without addressing imbalance in any way - but instead installing blatant abuse of one side backed up by the state as the norm.

I was talking about the thread getting back on track.

Ah - my mistake....

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Reply #129 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:17pm

Anyway - I have yet to see any figures on this alleged cyber-stalking and to see any breakdown of exactly what is involved in these alleged incidents.

I'd also like to see some proof of what actually occurs.

We all know that Slim Mehajer rang his departed up etc and said some pretty awful things - but I venture to say that the majority of attempts to0 contact are actually attempts at reconciliation. It is highly likely given the current handling of such issues, that many will be accused and even charged for simply seeking a reasonable and openly discussed settlement.

When you remove from one party the absolute right to a fair and open discussion, and you cover over the refusal of the other party by attempting to label the attempt at reconciliation an act of violence (by current ridiculous standards) - and you then substitute the pursuit of a fair and reasonable discussion of issues with direct violence from the state - you are engaging in an act of state social war - not just simple violence - but an act of war against that party - and by extension against all other members of that 'party' as currently defined in this out-of control handling of relationship issues.

Hiding behind accusations of violence based on zero genuine violence is nothing but a childish and cowardly way of not accepting responsibility for an effective resolution.

No wonder, when confronted by violence as the response to an attempt at reason, many reasonable people turn to violence.

I've explained that with regard to bullying before - you simply cannot resolve bullying as an issue by bullying bullies... and you certainly cannot stop violence by installing violence as your chosen approach to reason. Placing the state directly in the position of being the biggest bully on the block will eventually bring down the state...... trust me on this.... this currently goes a long way towards explaining the utter distrust of and dissatisfaction in governments.

Stoopid is as stoopid does - as they allus say down in Green Bow.

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Grappler Racist Filth Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90582 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence Reply #130 - Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:26pm HERE - chew on this, you nay-sayers..... bullying and violence facilitators...
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Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence
Reply #131 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:58am

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:17pm:

Anyway - I have yet to see any figures on this alleged cyber-stalking and to see any breakdown of exactly what is involved in these alleged incidents.

I'd also like to see some proof of what actually occurs.

grap there is plenty out there

kids committing suicide after relentless abuse in cyberspace......even adult celebrities have been under the pressure of it......

grap this is in the op..

After fleeing her abuser in July, 2018, single mother Amber (last name withheld) suffers from severe anxiety, PTSD symptoms and intense paranoia due to tech-facilitated violence which began during an 18 month relationship.

After an explosive argument one day, Amber was at her mother’s house and googled “narcissist” on her phone. Within seconds, her partner texted her a screen grab showing her conducting the internet search.

“Nice,” he wrote.
Her abuser was able to read her emails, hack her passwords, install a hidden keystroke app on her computer which would send him data records of every key pressed, and stalked her whereabouts using her phone’s location sharing settings.

During her sleep one night he used a program to retrieve all deleted photographs, text messages and call records from her smartphone.

When he discovered messages from a male friend, he doused Amber and the house in acetone and threatened to set her alight.

“He said there’s a backdoor to everything if you know what you’re doing,” said Amber.

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Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence
Reply #132 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 8:23am

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:58am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:17pm:

Anyway - I have yet to see any figures on this alleged cyber-stalking and to see any breakdown of exactly what is involved in these alleged incidents.

I'd also like to see some proof of what actually occurs.

grap there is plenty out there

kids committing suicide after relentless abuse in cyberspace......even adult celebrities have been under the pressure of it......

grap this is in the op..

After fleeing her abuser in July, 2018, single mother Amber (last name withheld) suffers from severe anxiety, PTSD symptoms and intense paranoia due to tech-facilitated violence which began during an 18 month relationship.

After an explosive argument one day, Amber was at her mother’s house and googled “narcissist” on her phone. Within seconds, her partner texted her a screen grab showing her conducting the internet search.

“Nice,” he wrote.
Her abuser was able to read her emails, hack her passwords, install a hidden keystroke app on her computer which would send him data records of every key pressed, and stalked her whereabouts using her phone’s location sharing settings.

During her sleep one night he used a program to retrieve all deleted photographs, text messages and call records from her smartphone.

When he discovered messages from a male friend, he doused Amber and the house in acetone and threatened to set her alight.

“He said there’s a backdoor to everything if you know what you’re doing,” said Amber.

We have gone a full circle, destroy your fone and get a new one, they are as cheap as chips these days. It would have saved her the grief and him a gallon of acetone, I call that a win win

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Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence
Reply #133 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 8:59am

cods wrote on Mar 4^th, 2019 at 7:58am:

Grappler Racist Filth wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2019 at 9:17pm:

Anyway - I have yet to see any figures on this alleged cyber-stalking and to see any breakdown of exactly what is involved in these alleged incidents.

I'd also like to see some proof of what actually occurs.

grap there is plenty out there

kids committing suicide after relentless abuse in cyberspace......even adult celebrities have been under the pressure of it......

grap this is in the op..

After fleeing her abuser in July, 2018, single mother Amber (last name withheld) suffers from severe anxiety, PTSD symptoms and intense paranoia due to tech-facilitated violence which began during an 18 month relationship.

After an explosive argument one day, Amber was at her mother’s house and googled “narcissist” on her phone. Within seconds, her partner texted her a screen grab showing her conducting the internet search.

“Nice,” he wrote.
Her abuser was able to read her emails, hack her passwords, install a hidden keystroke app on her computer which would send him data records of every key pressed, and stalked her whereabouts using her phone’s location sharing settings.

During her sleep one night he used a program to retrieve all deleted photographs, text messages and call records from her smartphone.

When he discovered messages from a male friend, he doused Amber and the house in acetone and threatened to set her alight.

“He said there’s a backdoor to everything if you know what you’re doing,” said Amber.

I know all that, cods - I'm just asking for figures on this new 'poor women' thing - how many are copping cyber-abuse and what is in that 'abuse'? Like lumping every little thing into 'domestic violence', without a careful splitting of events into meaningful categories, no truth can even be approached, but the utter stigma of 'violence' adheres forever to the accused. This is propaganda pure and simple.

How many people can actually do that Amber thing, and how many actually do it? One extreme report doth not a spring make...

Most such claims will turn out to be attempts at communication in the interest of resolving issues.

When there is a clear case, it cannotbe too hard to track down the perpetrator - but lumping every attempt at communication and possible reconciliation in the same basket is fraught with danger for all.

At some point, a fair hearing of the actual issues must take place, with both sides sitting down and laying out their truth, as opposed to the current confrontational and one-sided approach over these issues that precludes one side accepting any responsibility for any reasonable behaviour in any way.

Feelings and alleged feeling simply do not cut it, and thee is no right to punish people for someone else's feelings, and there never will be.

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Re: Cyberspace Domestic Violence
Reply #134 - Mar 4^th, 2019 at 9:04am

Sounds like one of them US stories..... you know, the ones where mothers shoot their three kids and go off to visit their boyfriend ... such incidents are few and far between...

We of Australia are not the world's policeperson - we have no effect on gay murders in Iran or FGM cutting in Ethiopia or wherever, or rapes in India, or tribal cutting off of boobs in Rwanda (yes, we did act there, too late as usual) or the raw number of events like 'Amber's' in a population vastly bigger than ours.

We can ONLY deal with here and now, so let's first limit it to Australian events. Using events in Faroffistan to start a campaign based on fear and misrepresentation are not helping anyone.

Somebody bring on the "99.9% are unreported!!" - if they're unreported how do you know they even exist?

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