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Violet Crumble

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Re: OzPol ought to become more friendly.
Reply #165 - Apr 23^rd, 2019 at 6:02pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 20^th, 2019 at 3:24pm:

Kiwi Dave wrote on Apr 20^th, 2019 at 3:00pm:

Good cartoon, Captain Nemo.

I am reminded of a Buddhist (from memory) quote:

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When you plant lettuce, if it does not grow well, you don’t blame the lettuce. You look for reasons it is not doing well

This is best described in the social sciences as “ecological theory”, which looks at the environment a human being is in, rather than their behaviour per se. It’s the old “nature vs nurture” debate.

An interesting topic for a cleaned up “Relationships board”, no?

Hmm. Nicole has posted at the sewer that she is not this Kiwi Dave, despite the fact (which she will not dispute) that she was the original puppeteer of that muppet sock which caused the ultimate demise of any sense of democracy at the sewer where voting once had integrity. 'Kiwi Dave' set the precedent that voting can be rigged and FD was up to his eyeballs in it. Down hill it went from there, and I used that precedent, I concede, as FD's Constitution urged everyone to do.

While I am not completely convinced that this Kiwi Dave is not Nicole, the more this Kiwi Dave posts, the more I move away from concluding it is Nicole or even Agnes.

That leaves just one contender who was aware of the history of the sewer and "Kiwi Dave" activities there, one who had bucket loads of tickets on herself about her genius, especially in philosophy and psychology. If my memory of Board history holds true, this person was once the Mod of the Atheism MRB here, and then more latterly when Vic was doing his clean out of MRBs abandoned by the Mod, The Barnacle got the gig.

Anyone?

Care to 'fess up 'Kiwi Dave?'

See this Thread:

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Clean up Time
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I've noticed that some of the guests to my sub-forum of late have forgotten their manners. The threads are no longer as interesting as they once were and that is very is disappointing. Now, they're strewn with new post after new post of flaming by trolls of little or no imagination.

As a consequence of this bad behavior, I have some housework to tend to over the next few weeks. I'll be cleaning up my sub forum, removing the meaningless insults and other such posts that do not contribute to either the OP, current tangent or argumentation overall.

Those who notice their posts deleted may restrict their bitchin' n' cryin' to this thread only. I will look forward to hearing from Spot of Borg et el and Soren who seem to think they can bring their little vexation to my sub-forum. I should like to recommend the Feedback sub-forum as being more liberal minded on trolls, as a place to hold your little forum war. My grounds are neutral and more focused.

Thank you.

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Kiwi Dave Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75 Gender:	Re: OzPol ought to become more friendly. Reply #168 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 9:39pm Cmon PZ. I spend ages replying to you mate.
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Reply #170 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 10:28pm

Didn't see your replies, Kiwi Dave. Sorry

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For me, genes or Nature (as in the old Nature or Nurture debate) is captain of the individual's ship

There can only be one Captain. He might have First Mates, navigators, etc. But there can only be one captain, agreed? Therefore, genes are the captain

Further to genes. We don't get oranges from apple trees

world population:
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How do you feel about the west propping up countries like Ethiopia with food and aid when they have famines? I think the country of Ethiopia now has a staggering population of 88 million

As an individual, if there on the spot facing widespread famine and suffering, I'd give them whatever food I had. As a world leader, taking an overview, I'd offer them sterilization and I'd feed only those who accepted to be sterilized. The reality is, we don't need any more people on the planet. And we certainly don't need the current unrestricted, mindless breeding. The vast majority of us are here because people had sex. They were not planning on reproducing. I'd like to see licences to breed and only if the potential breeders could stump up at least $250,000 each, to be put in trust for the support of the child in the event of divorce/separation -- and only if both potential parents passed psychological and physical assessment (ongoing throughout the child's life until it reached majority) would their application for a licence to breed be considered

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I have some sympathy for Darwinism, but wonder where we draw the line of just letting the babe die at birth. I have had some experience with Downs Syndrome people. They appear to love and enjoy living as much as you or I do. You want to deny them life?

In the 1970s, the geniuses decided the mentally disabled/retarded should be permitted to breed. Prior to that, the mentally disabled were sterilized. A documentary from that era showed two individuals, male & female who'd until recently lived in an institution. The female had become pregnant. The couple were provided taxpayer funded accommodation, 2 bedroom, in the outside world. It was explained to viewers that a team of carers would take care of the parents and their child -- around the clock, in shifts. The parents couldn't boil an egg. The female was Downs syndrome and can't remember her husband's disability but both were incapable of functioning independently. They were like a pair of four year olds. A chirpy voice said there was no reason to believe their child would suffer mental impairment. Taxpayers would provide carers for the child until it was 16 or so and would need to continue caring for the parents on permanent basis.

Most of us have known families who had/have as a member a Down's sydrome child or adult. Fine when the child is young and the parents are healthy & energetic. Ever seen those families when their child is middle aged and the parents are elderly and exhausted? The parents force themselves through in their 70s and 80s. They cannot afford to be seen to be failing health wise or mentally, or their child will be placed in an institution where .. as the parents know .. they will very probably be physically, sexually and emotionally abused. There are few angels in care facilities.

It has nothing to do with how I feel personally with regard to Downs or other afflicted people. I've made good friends with Downs people to the point a poor, stooped grey haired father turned up at my place of work early in the morning apologising because his Downs syndrome daughter, in her mid 40s, insisted she be able to show me her birthday present first thing. She came roaring across the car park, present in hand, bellowing hello to me with her poor old dad in tow. You could have picked him in one hand, he was so aged and weak. But he and his wife loved their daughter fiercely and were terrified of dying or breaking a bone which would result in her being put in an institution. When I lived in the country as a kid, every second farming family seemed to have a Downs syndrome or other disabled member. The parents looked haunted -- 'Who will take care of him/her when I'm gone?'.

Back in the age of common sense, doctors and nurses deliberately did not smack disabled and other afflicted newborns to life. They put them to one side, where they soon expired naturally. The mothers were told the child was gone, and told they could have more, so chin up. It was for the best. A disabled child places an enormous toll on parents, the family's other children, society, etc. Marriages collapse under the strain, leaving one parent alone, and possibly with other children to provide for. All that potential wasted. Gifted men, women and their children are sacrificed on the altar of the disabled child. Houses have to be sold and another one bought, to better accomodate the disabled child. Jobs and careers are lost due to the need to be close to a hospital, to have time to take the disabled child back and forth.

Sure, when it's happening to someone else and we generously spare a smile for the parents patiently pushing their disabled child around, we can claim to be indignant about sparing society of the disabled. It's called virtue signalling. But spare a thought for the exhausted parent up at four in the morning, changing the nappy and bedding of a 45 year old man for the sixth time that day. It's a stupid waste of the parents life

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Reply #171 - Apr 24^th, 2019 at 11:13pm

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Humans are not hair dryers or refrigerators. Hence human breeding is not the equivalent of “mass production”. And what makes you think the “faulty human” has a next life? And where do you draw the line, again. You’ve already eliminated Down’s Syndrome. Hair lips? Schizophrenia? You are on a very slippery slope here PZ

I'm a supporter of eugenics and have said so many times. A farmer does not breed from the halt and lame. A farmer does not save seed from bad crops and plant them. What's the definition of stupidity? It is, boiled down, someone who does the same thing repeatedly, expecting a different result. I'm not editing or proof reading any of this, so don't get to involved in analysing it in depth, ok

In the natural world, let's say a herd of zebra, they don't carry their lame and diseased members around. Those that can't keep up are left behind for predators. The natural world employs eugenics. Only emotion-ridden, guilt-ridden, religiously bullied into believing all life is sacred humans, breed from the unfit

God helps he who helps himself. The Pope ignores a lot but redeems himself in the eyes of the simple minded by exhorting people to 'give to the poor'. 90% of what they give ends up in the wrong pockets, but that's incidental. The Pope will not sanction birth control, so kids of five years of age, nine years of age, are made pregnant and abortion is refused them. God expects us to help ourselves climb out of an overpopulated world by thinking smart, not emotionally. If we don't start thinking smart, we're going down. If you have objection to my quoting God, attribute it to Mickey Mouse, makes no difference. All the blue eyed people in teh world are said to descend from four women, from what I remember. See what prolific breeders humans are.

Doesn't matter if I'm on a slippery slope. Humanity is close to perching on the edge of a cliff. You have access to water, to food, to internet. Can you adapt to a life of fighting for scraps of food and half a cup of slime? But you figure, no doubt, that it won't reach tipping point in your lifetime, so you'll be fine. Do you have kids, grandkids, great grandkids? Will they be fine living like rats? How much longer before we start thinking smart -- do we wait until it's too late?

and when a ship is sinking or a plane losing height, what do they do? They jettison everything to save their skins. When the chips are down, humans suddenly gain perspective about who and what is important. Why wait until the last minute?

Human breeding is very much a case of mass production. Go up six miles and look down. What do you see? You'll see babies popping out like hot cross buns coming out of the bakery oven.

I mentioned the biological imperative, which for those who don't know, is Nature's edict that we replace ourselves before we depart life. We don't even know why it's such a big deal. Dandelions and cockroaches do the same. Humans are far from unique in that. Everything replacing itself mindlessly -- billions of humans, trillions of cockroaches all mass producing. Then struggling to raise the offspring to a point of independent life. And making a virtue of it ! All that human potential unrealised because Time, Energy and Resources are devoted to the young. After that, Life/Nature has no need for the parent. And we hide from that reality. We lie about it. We say it was worth it. When in many cases it was not. But we build our reason for living on the belief that we've done something noble by perpetuating the species

Brumbies are beautiful animals, as are kangaroos, dingos, etc. We cull them. We cull healthy camels and donkeys and turn them into pet food. Humans are practical and rutheless about all apart from themselves. Nature programmed us to become infatuated with our own young, no matter how faulty, yes faulty, they might be. Zebras don't make that mistake and therefore maintain the health and welfare of the herd

You're being facetious when you list hair-lips, obviously. As to schizophrenia ... it's a problem. Ten and more years ago in the UK, it was conceded by the authorities that at least one person a week was murdered by a schizophrenic. I don't believe that's a fair trade -- a schizophrenic is released from an institution, trusted with taking their medication, thus freedom for them and death (often brutal) for a random, functioning victim. If a person suffering a mental or other disability cannot function and is a danger to society, then yes, they have to go

Twice today, in the news, I read of someone citing mental illness (and drugs, drink) as their defence after they'd killed one or more others. I'm with Duterte -- despatch them to their maker. We dispose of household garbage. Idiots hoard their garbage. We're trying to keep a ship afloat. We're trying to maintain civilized societies. Cuts have to be made. Mental asylums and homes for the infirm used to keep societies' streets relatively clean. But they were inhumane. The inmates are on the streets now. And now, society is like an insane asylum. Woman wandering around here is grotesque. She walks into businesses and defecates on their floors. The police take her away. Her family, keen for carer's allowance, get her out and the process is repeated endlessly. Men sleep with her and give her cigarettes. She's semi human. I believe she'd be better off out of this life. Zebras would agree

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Re: OzPol ought to become more friendly.
Reply #172 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 12:34am

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As to God, I don't visualise God as an old man in the clouds, although I did as a child. Now, I regard God to be an unimaginable intelligence. It's said that God helps he who helps himself. That being the case, we should be furthering the human race, maximising its potential and removing all obstgacles to that potential, rather than shuffling along the same, self defeating path

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Kiwi Dave says: Who says God helps he who will help himself? I’m not versed in scriptures and see it as man written toss, be it Buddist or Muslim, or any other religion.

Can you flesh out a little more what you mean by, “removing all obstacles to that potential”?

I just said it. Can't remember why. I'll have to think a moment

Ok, I'll have a stab. Here we are, still fighting each other, warring, destroying, etc. It's been going on since before recorded history

surely we can do better? And if we can't, what's the point of our existence? If we were observed from above, the observer would be correct in believing we're limited, self limiting and too stupid to progress -- a dead end. So - a lost cause

India, China and Africa are bursting at the seams and now pose a threat to the rest of the world -- we're talking in broad strokes here. They have lost control of their populations. They still live in poverty and misery, hand to mouth. Humans of undoubted talent and worth spend their lives in a daily struggle for food and water

What do those of us in more favourable circumstances do to alleviate all that misery and waste? We send supplies to them. But they, and we, continue breeding. There are only so many you can fit into a Volkswagon

With a drastically reduced population and by breeding from the best we could halt the mess. Instead of a human population of hairy, smelly, disease-ridden creatures, we could -- if we'd focused on quality rather than quantity -- have engineered (via removal of the lizard-brain) disease-free, highly intelligent humans or hybrids --- even a robot society. A society where violence and destruction were unknown. Those superior beings would have repaired the environment and natural world. They would tread lightly on the planet. They would seriously curtail their breeding as in 'one in means one out'. No more waste of resources. Responsible inhabitants whose energies were devoted to the sciences, art, inner life and the cosmos. Yes, a futuristic society compared to which, our current societies would seem like the earliest cave-men

It's the lizard-brain which is responsible for our territoriality, our violent responses, our predatory behaviours etc. If we can't lose or tame it, we're destined to stay as we are until we utterly destroy ourselves and this planet. And as populations increase, so will insane exhibitions of road rage, bus rage, footpath rage and all our other rages

We aspire to be better, do better, but the odds are against us. It's the tough who're calling the shots -- the biggest, the strongest, the most ruthless. The best of us are being trampled and destroyed. We're returning to the law of the jungle and it will get a lot worse

We took a wrong turn somewhere down the line but it's probably true to say we had no option. We are what we are, driven by atavistic genes which predispose us baring of teeth and claws any time we feel threatened. We're a warlike species programmed to survive, to compete, to conquer. It's why we enjoy competition and why we invest in political 'teams' and idiotic tv dance shows which are really symbolic wars. Even our breeding habits are wars -- make more of us to overpower them, more of us will be able to beat them. And even though we know what it's doing to us and even when we limit our own breeding, they didn't get the memo and so are continuing to breed us all into our ultimate self destruction

The NWO will have to sort it out

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Reply #173 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 7:57am

That's all good and right and very well written PZ.
I'm with you on a hell of a lot of what you wrote.

But I think the reason why things are different is that the USA has 'too much' Freedom on its hands and for fear of being 'labelled' anything, they fail to 'discriminate' between 'anything' these days.

I used to work in a place in Parramatta area, that had extremely high care people to look after. Poor souls, they all looked like they were hit by a Chernobyl cloud of radiation.

Where do these retardations come from? Is it the excessive drug and alcohol use of parents contaminating their line? Is it having to work in chemical environments like Formaldehyde and crop dusting? Is it isolated gene pools like outback, where one eventually breeds with a relation fo some sort and the gene pool shrinks, not expands?

Either way, any Down Syndrome that gets in my cab - get's a free ride. I get a few cons who try to play "I've only got $20 of a $35 ride"
halfway into the trip. I just say

"Well, if you were Down Syndrome - you would have got the entire trip for free!"

Con "Oh what - I've gotta be disabled to get a free trip?"

Me "I could break your legs for you right now if you like?"

Grin

The movie Alien 4 goes into 'deformaties' a bit and Ripley puts her 'retarded' versions to the torch!

AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #175 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 3:56pm

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Didn't see your replies, Kiwi Dave. Sorry

That's very understandable, given 60 to 70 percent of what get's thrown around on this board is trolling, mod stabbing, and bickering.

I've replied to you on another forum I was invited to. The thread is called "The Lettuce Thread" and is on the "Philosophy, Religion and Psychology" board.

I believe you have a PM telling you where it is. I look forward to your reply, or bye for now.

Dave

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 39661 Gender:	Re: OzPol ought to become more friendly. Reply #176 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:02pm Isn't that pathetic. What are you...some sort of honey trap? Far cough. Have the discussion here or in some other Thread here if this MRB annoys you so. Do you reckon you can just waltz in here, throw some bait, hook alphabet numbers and then land them at the far king sewer? As I said...pathetic.
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Reply #177 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:04pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:02pm:

Isn't that pathetic. What are you...some sort of honey trap? Far cough. Have the discussion here or in some other Thread here if this MRB annoys you so. Do you reckon you can just waltz in here, throw some bait, hook alphabet numbers and then land them at the far king sewer? As I said...pathetic.

You see Aussie,
I told you that you chased a new member away -
now - apologise!

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Reply #178 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 25^th, 2019 at 4:02pm:

You see Aussie,
I told you that you chased a new member away -
now - apologise!

I obviously did not chase them away.

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Violet Crumble Gold Member Offline Posts: 576	Re: OzPol ought to become more friendly. Reply #179 - Apr 25^th, 2019 at 5:59pm Where's Wally?
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